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Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by robotnikman »

anglesideangle wrote: post #28

As someone who actively uses a wayland compositor and has done so since switching to linux ~4 years ago, I often feel like I live in a different world from the authors of articles discussing its usability. Just to discuss a few points made about wayland's supposed inferiority: > Wayland cannot do (or do well) tons of things: > VNC server > remote desktop I don't regularly use either of these so I cannot attest to whe…

The remote desktop is one of the reasons I haven't switched to wayland on a few machines. I used Anydesk to manage them, and Anydesk says they are unable to support Wayland.

Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by palata »

I don't get the Xorg vs Wayland fight. Feels like it mostly coming from people who don't contribute to either of them.

If you like Xorg, use Xorg. If you like Wayland, use Wayland. If you're not happy about an issue, contribute to it.

Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by JoshTriplett »

throwaway63097 wrote: post #48
Lariscus wrote: post #36

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If a new startup comes up, and someone points out "they've taken funding from Philip Morris / Altria", that is completely on topic, and will affect how some people evaluate the company. This is comparable.

Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by 63 »

I'll throw my hat in the anti-Wayland ring. I have a 5-year-old graphics card from the most popular graphics card company in the world. And yet, in 2025, I cannot run Sway/Wayland on my Nvidia 3070 for more than 20 minutes without a crash. i3/Xorg works fine.

Wayland just straight doesn't work and the push to move everyone to it looks ridiculous from my perspective.

Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by worik »

85392_school wrote: post #10
devmor wrote: post #7

I agree with the sentiment of this post in general (annoyance with Wayland being shoved down my throat, despite missing core features of Xorg) but I am rather concerned about Xlibre's future as a project. The README being stuffed with reactionary political dogwhistles is downright weird and doesn't inspire confidence in longevity.

The README: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/blob/master/README.md The code of conduct: https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/blob/master/CODE_OF_COND...

That code of conduct is a huge red flag that this is going nowhere

I have been around long enough (enduring the big swinging dicks) to understand why they are required.

The statements of inclusion in the README when the principal author campaigns against it indicates a dire lack of social skills. What hope is there for this?

I mostly agree with the critisisms of Wayland, I too have had to uninstall it to get what I need, but this all seems worse

Good luck to them, but I have no confidence

Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by jmkr »

A few weeks ago I was looking into `XReparentWindow` because certain things use it (DAW Plugins). I don't think Wayland can do something similar (but I guess XWayland works), GTK and Qt both seem to have their own version.

Looking more into plugin libraries, a lot of it is based specifically on X, I don't think that's going to be rewritten anytime soon.

I've felt for a while stuck between X and Wayland. Same with Pipewire and Jack/Pulse.

Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by worik »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #39
panzi wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source is inherently political. I think it's anti-capitalist and I remember how pro-capitalist people called it communist back in the 90s/00s. Saying open source isn't political is almost like saying Star Trek isn't political.

No it isn't. I have contributed to, and used, many open source projects without it ever being political. All I did was share work I created because it might help someone out, or use a tool I found useful. Some people choose to make open source political and that's their right, but it isn't inherently political. That is a choice one makes.

> All I did was share work

You may not have political opinions but you took political action....

Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by bmacho »

Lariscus wrote: post #36

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The main devs, apart from being reactionary nutjobs, created enough bugs and compatibility breaks in Xorg proper by reverting a lot of X11Libre changes.[0] I guess we will see if this project survives for longer than a few months.

[0] https://www.phoronix.com/news/X.Org-Server-Lots-Of-Reverts

Re: Long live Xorg, I mean Xlibre

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Post by kardianos »

panzi wrote: post #30
timewizard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The README being stuffed with political dogwhistles is downright weird For reasons I've never understood politics started invading open source about 10 years ago. What's weird is that these political ideas all seem to be highly aligned and this is the first major project that breaks that alignment. Personally I'd prefer to see the politics, on both sides, disappear forever. It only pollutes the engineering and it f…

Open source is inherently political. I think it's anti-capitalist and I remember how pro-capitalist people called it communist back in the 90s/00s. Saying open source isn't political is almost like saying Star Trek isn't political.

"everything is political" -> Communism
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