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Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by kapnobatairza »

programminggeek wrote: post #10

This is both unsurprising and somewhat meaningless as there will be an appeals process that will last for months and possibly years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Samsung made their products to look like Apple products. They changed their icon styles and other UI elements away from Android standards to match the Apple style. Some of the things Apple invented and patented on like pinch to zoom an…

I think it is fair to say that Samsung may have crossed some lines as far as "trade dress" goes.

But did Apple really invent pinch to zoom? Jeff Han demonstrated pinch to zoom gestures at TED in 2006, Microsoft Surface in 2007 before the iPhone was released, and I've seen various forms of "pinch to zoom" on different tablets and smart board applications.

I think that Apple did a good job developing some multi-touch input standards, like pinch to zoom as an OS standard rather than just a feature specific to an application. I don't think you should be able to patent a standard and it is counter-intuitive to developing a standard to begin with. If we had patents on desktop GUI user input standards like right click, ctrl key modifiers like ctrl-scroll to zoom, etc. then using computers would be a much bigger PITA.

EDIT: Many have rightly pointed out that Apple was first to file and that Jeff Han's work was too close to the filing date to qualify as prior art - However, I was simply asking whether he truly believed Apple "invented" pinch to zoom. Legally you can argue that Apple holds a valid patent as demonstrated by them winning this case - but I think it is invalid to say they "invented" anything as intuitive as pinch to zoom which has been demonstrated in a variety of prototypes, tablets, and applications over 2 decades.

Also

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by fbuilesv »

lawdawg wrote: post #48
programminggeek wrote: post #10

This is both unsurprising and somewhat meaningless as there will be an appeals process that will last for months and possibly years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Samsung made their products to look like Apple products. They changed their icon styles and other UI elements away from Android standards to match the Apple style. Some of the things Apple invented and patented on like pinch to zoom an…

and all those phones have pinch to zoom. Just because Microsoft and Apple are colluding to avoid suing each other doesn't mean that an OS like WP is somehow the solution.

Just because Microsoft and Apple are colluding to avoid suing each other

Do you have facts that support this or is this your opinion?

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by taligent »

[deleted] wrote: post #80
taligent wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking forward to plenty of truly dumb, ignorant comments like this in the future. You do know that a jury made this decision, right ?

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On what legal basis ? And surely that wouldn't be the impartial thing to do, right ?

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by r00fus »

alecdibble wrote: post #57
bane wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sickening. This case may significantly raise the bar for invalidating nonsense software patents in the future.

Patent reform will most likely have to come out of the legislative process, not the judicial branch.

Considering both parties are big whores to the corporate patent lobby, legislative process will likely only change things for the worse.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by slantyyz »

sriramk wrote: post #74

The big winner, apart from Apple, is Microsoft. If you're a hardware manufacturer, your choices are 1. You go with Android and have both Apple and Microsoft come after you. 2. You go with Windows Phone. I suspect the Windows Phone team is breaking open some champagne now.

Or,

3. License RIM's OS, if it ever comes out

4. Boot to Gecko

5. OpenWebOS?

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by CubicleNinjas »

sriramk wrote: post #74

The big winner, apart from Apple, is Microsoft. If you're a hardware manufacturer, your choices are 1. You go with Android and have both Apple and Microsoft come after you. 2. You go with Windows Phone. I suspect the Windows Phone team is breaking open some champagne now.

After the Surface Tablet's debut and their incestious connection with Nokia, I don't think any hardware manufacturer is realistically looking at Windows Phone.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by sriramk »

slantyyz wrote: post #85
sriramk wrote: post #74

The big winner, apart from Apple, is Microsoft. If you're a hardware manufacturer, your choices are 1. You go with Android and have both Apple and Microsoft come after you. 2. You go with Windows Phone. I suspect the Windows Phone team is breaking open some champagne now.

Or, 3. License RIM's OS, if it ever comes out 4. Boot to Gecko 5. OpenWebOS?

Any of those are atleast a couple of years away from becoming realistic. Windows Phone has an app ecosystem today, the muscle/deep pockets of MSFT behind it and frankly, it's a pretty good OS. It's a slam dunk at the moment.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by paranoiacblack »

goggles99 wrote: post #49
paranoiacblack wrote: post #19

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> You just have to look at Windows Phone 7 or Windows 8 or Web OS or Blackberry to realize that you don't have to copy Apple to make a good or great smartphone. Ok sure, but why did you cite a bunch of bad smartphones to validate your point?

Tell me something. If you took all the apps and app developers from the IOS App Store and traded them for all that WebOS, BlackBerry, Or windows 8 has... How would sales change in the next year??? Throw in Apple's marketing crew to trade as well. Isn't that an interesting notion? Is suggestion that these are "bad smartphones" coming from their lack of sales? This is a false dichotomy. If not - please provide data tha…

I agree with this as well by the way. But you can't throw in an "interesting notion" theoretical to solve this problem. What Apple and Android devices have is not only a developer ecosystem and a better application suite, along with good marketing. They have a dedicated userbase. They have both convinced users in their quality by staying on the edge of technology and strongly competing.

My argument is that these smartphones are 'bad' in the same way that IE is a 'bad' browser in the eyes of most users in comparison to Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Safari. However, I can't just assume that IF IE had the apps and app developers as the Chrome and FF that everything would change. There's something to be said about context, reputation, and history.

However, I'll concede that calling thse smartphones 'bad' is ambiguous and seems to imply a false dichotomy. The point was that it is kind of ridiculous to point to products with a bad reputation for developers or users (regardless of the reality of their quality) as a shining example of how Samsung didn't have to copy Apple. I agree that they didn't, but those aren't good examples.

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