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Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by programminggeek »

paranoiacblack wrote: post #19
programminggeek wrote: post #10

This is both unsurprising and somewhat meaningless as there will be an appeals process that will last for months and possibly years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Samsung made their products to look like Apple products. They changed their icon styles and other UI elements away from Android standards to match the Apple style. Some of the things Apple invented and patented on like pinch to zoom an…

> You just have to look at Windows Phone 7 or Windows 8 or Web OS or Blackberry to realize that you don't have to copy Apple to make a good or great smartphone. Ok sure, but why did you cite a bunch of bad smartphones to validate your point?

Well WebOS and Blackberry Playbook and Windows Phone 7 might not be of the same calibur in terms of hardware, but they are proof that Samsung didn't need to try and ape Apple so closely to make a good product.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by lazyoaf »

gridspy wrote: post #17
lazyoaf wrote: post #6

This isn't right.... This is a terrible day for fair competition.

Are you saying that Patents prevent fair competition? Isn't that the point of patents?

The fact that patents can often be used on common sense or logical shapes, colours or materials in goods is just silly!

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by guywithabike »

lubos wrote: post #4

I was shocked to learn this case is basically being decided by people who have no idea what they are really deciding on. Here is the jury according to techcrunch 1. An electrical engineer 2. A homemaker 3. A construction worker 4. A young unemployed man who likes video games 5. An insurance agent 6. An ex-Navy avionics technician 7. A store operations manager for a cycling retailer 8. A project manager for wireless c…

The case is being decided by people that Samsung and Apple chose, out of the random pool of potential jurors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_selection

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by siglesias »

lubos wrote: post #4

I was shocked to learn this case is basically being decided by people who have no idea what they are really deciding on. Here is the jury according to techcrunch 1. An electrical engineer 2. A homemaker 3. A construction worker 4. A young unemployed man who likes video games 5. An insurance agent 6. An ex-Navy avionics technician 7. A store operations manager for a cycling retailer 8. A project manager for wireless c…

Knowing this audience, I'll probably get downvoted, but I'll say it anyway.

That's rather cynical. This is precisely the kind of trial that doesn't require expert thinking because most of what is up for debate is whether Samsung willfully attempted to fool customers into thinking that their products were just like an iPhone by copying the trade dress. And determining such a thing is a matter of common sense.

This reminds me of an anecdote about Brahms's first symphony:

Brahms himself said, when comment was made on the similarity with Beethoven, "any ass can see that." [1]

So it is here. We needn't pretend any longer that Samsung's designs are mere coincidence. Whether it should be punishable is another question, but under the current law this, to me, is the right call.

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._1_(Brahms)#History

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by tzs »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #3
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #2

From: http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/ "No across the board. Not a single [patent] proven invalid by Samsung." that's big. edit: "Damages from Apple to Samsung: zero." (edit2: oops, dumb typo)

The words "proven invalid" seem like a nice summary of what's so broken about this situation.

How so?

Issued patents have already undergone an examination by a patent examiner, who found that the patent met the statutory requirements for validity, so it seems reasonable to me that someone wishing to overturn that decision should bear the burden of proof.

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Post by lazyoaf »

taligent wrote: post #20
lazyoaf wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

absolutely, shocking. The 'general' public are unlikely to grasp how complex this is and the future ramifications from their short and very limited time with the case.

What's shocking is your complete ignorance of how the legal system works.

I'm aware of how it works, i just don't think there should be a legal dispute for many of the 'patents' here is all.

Re: Apple Wins Patent Ruling As Jury Finds Samsung Infringes

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Post by Jare »

gridspy wrote: post #17
lazyoaf wrote: post #6

This isn't right.... This is a terrible day for fair competition.

Are you saying that Patents prevent fair competition? Isn't that the point of patents?

No, that's not the point of patents, but unfortunately, the point of patents was kidnapped long ago, and now I feel like someone just threw the key into the ocean.
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