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Re: SmartThings: Make Your World Smarter

#21
X10 reborn. I know people who were playing around with stuff like this back in the 90s and the X10 protocol has existed since the mid 70s. I don't know if these are the guys to do it but it does seem like the time is right for this sort of home automation to finally take off.

Re: SmartThings: Make Your World Smarter

#22
I love this idea. Two years ago, when I had just moved to Silicon Valley, I came up with a concept called OpenAnno for a hackathon about Twitter's new annotations API feature. Lucky for me (I didn't realize this then, I didn't know a lot about them), two of the judges were Ron Conway and Paul Graham. I naively presented the project and later ended up talking to Paul and Ron. Ron thought it was interesting and asked me to send him a follow up email. This is what I sent, I just dug it out and thought it might be interesting in this context. I've never really shared it with anyone either so I'd love some feedback even thought it's such a long time ago :)

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OpenAnno is Twitter for Objects.

We want to build a close approximation of the real world "object graph".

OpenAnno stores public annotations (formerly tweets) on unique objects (formerly people). Objects are connected via typed edges (formerly mention, follow, reply), thus establishing the "object graph" (formerly "social graph"). Anybody can add annotations and edges.

Objects can be "followed" (an edge-type; there can be other types with other semantics). Objects can follow objects, too. A vendor can follow product ratings of products and adjust prices. This adjustment is pushed to following objects which might order those items once they are cheap enough. An alarm clock can follow your work schedule and your friends and toaster can follow the alarm clock. Thus, OpenAnno becomes the message bus in a global computational network. The interplay of smart objects reacting to one another is incredibly powerful (brains works like that, too).

Another application is search: the object graph can give you shopping advice that matches your wardrobe, can summarize and add value to complicated news events, can help you learn new languages and cultures, can suggest shops that sell every item in your fridge etc etc..

In certain domains (e.g. shopping) the object graph may be suitable to do analysis/research/simulation.

Possible "early annotators":

- Cars with license plates (a la bump.com)

- Anything with a barcode (a la stickybits.com)

- Real World that can be recognized in images (a la Google Goggles)

- Pictures/Media (comp. tazpic's presentation from yesterday)

- Objects other APIs give you

OpenAnno is a desirable partner for the mentioned companies allowing them to put their data in context. Data from non-partners is pulled in through "API tunneling" (as per yesterdays presentation).

Yesterday's demo is at http://www.justin.tv/jonashuckestein/b/264542955#r=Fs6GQLI~&... and a working prototype of the API at http://openanno.com. It's built to scale but a rewrite will be necessary (current code is public on github). Everything was built in less than 24 hours.

Challenge: We can build the "starting graph" from all the information we can gobble. This is difficult. Getting from there to a close approximation of the "object graph" is even more difficult and interesting.

Social proof: PG first called OpenAnno a "superset of Twitter annotations" and then a "communication channel that is bigger than Twitter".

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sigh You gotta love the "it's built to scale but a rewrite will be necessary" line and the "social proof" section :) Makes me feel like I've come a long way in those two years.

Me and my friends talked to SV Angel for a little but I had already decided to take a different job for immigration reasons. Back then I didn't realize that these people were kind of a big deal and I should somehow capitalize on that. Good times :)

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Re: SmartThings: Make Your World Smarter

#23
I am missing something or is this actually built with a cellular data connection? A new data plan seems like a huge barrier of entry. Why would you not use local internet or at least offer both? Wouldn't most if not all the consumers in this market have in home internet? Cellular data outside of the huge city is terrible on average, even in ATL it is very iffy. Maybe it is because I have never lived in the valley, but cellular data is still a third class service in my experience.

Not trying to be negative, just hoping someone from the team could answer on why no wifi?

Re: SmartThings: Make Your World Smarter

#26
post #23

I am missing something or is this actually built with a cellular data connection? A new data plan seems like a huge barrier of entry. Why would you not use local internet or at least offer both? Wouldn't most if not all the consumers in this market have in home internet? Cellular data outside of the huge city is terrible on average, even in ATL it is very iffy. Maybe it is because I have never lived in the valley, bu…

It probably supports wifi too. But if the power in the house goes out, so does the Internet. By going cellular they avoid that problem, although batteries can still run out.

I'm not convinced this is what we need. I suppose if you littered your house with these sensors and could see a "house dashboard" to check the house's statuses on a web page any time of the day, it would be nice. But this really won't solve a busted pipe in the basement.

Re: SmartThings: Make Your World Smarter

#27
I don't think these guys know how complex and difficult this is going to be. They might have an SDK out this year, but chances are its pretty rubbish. Its not as if others haven't tried. And having written my PhD thesis on these things I know its a complete and utter pain. Chances for success: less than 1%.

Re: SmartThings: Make Your World Smarter

#29

I love this idea. Two years ago, when I had just moved to Silicon Valley, I came up with a concept called OpenAnno for a hackathon about Twitter's new annotations API feature. Lucky for me (I didn't realize this then, I didn't know a lot about them), two of the judges were Ron Conway and Paul Graham. I naively presented the project and later ended up talking to Paul and Ron. Ron thought it was interesting and asked m…

Pretty awesome concept! Could each of the objects hold there annotations locally, and let other objects query them? Or would there have to be be a central server?

Re: SmartThings: Make Your World Smarter

#30
Cool project. In the future, it's probably better for the story to link to the description instead of the list of backers. I'm guessing most people would prefer to initially read about the project instead of seeing who already supports it.
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