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David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Re: David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Post by floydnoel »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #90
marcus_holmes wrote: post #83

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This is very "theory X" - the theory that people only work or do anything if someone in authority forces them to. The other theory, "Theory Y" says that people work because that's what people do, and the function of authority is more about guidance and removal of blockages. I'm a Theory Y believer, and believe that people work together to improve their lives without needing an authority or any compulsion. I believe t…

You're saying this because you actually don't understand a huge part of what I'm talking about: The tragedy of the commons. You didn't look it up, so your answer here is completely mistaken. MY entire ARGUMENT is based on that, and that is EXACTLY what theory Y is. It is the negative consequence of theory Y. You need to understand my argument before responding. Perhaps it's my fault for expecting most people to know…

some of us understand that tragedy of the commons situations are almost exclusively caused by governments themselves.

more authority doesn't help in those situations, it is the root of the problem.

Re: David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Post by kleiba »

anotherpaul wrote: post #87
bravebr123 wrote: post #40

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Firefox with Blocking turned on and I see no ads..

On mobile Firefox with blocking I still see - cookie consent - some self add for subscription - an altert that I have to login Can't read it

That's exactly what I meant.

Re: David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Post by ninetyninenine »

floydnoel wrote: post #141
ninetyninenine wrote: post #90

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You're saying this because you actually don't understand a huge part of what I'm talking about: The tragedy of the commons. You didn't look it up, so your answer here is completely mistaken. MY entire ARGUMENT is based on that, and that is EXACTLY what theory Y is. It is the negative consequence of theory Y. You need to understand my argument before responding. Perhaps it's my fault for expecting most people to know…

some of us understand that tragedy of the commons situations are almost exclusively caused by governments themselves. more authority doesn't help in those situations, it is the root of the problem.

Governments cause it? Why don’t you read the paper and the actual theory before making up shit.

Re: David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Post by ninetyninenine »

croes wrote: post #86
ninetyninenine wrote: post #68

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Billionaires are the definition of unfairness. And therefore they are natural. Only From the perspective of civilization, of course, which is only a small fraction of human existence. From the perspective humanity overall, not only are billionaires unnatural, but civilization in itself is unnatural. Hence all the declining birth rates we see today.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/unfairness No mention of billionaires. Show me one billionaires in nature beside mankind. Billionaires now and then are artificially created by the systems mankind creates. They are an anomaly

This is just garbage. Not going to respond further to this.

Re: David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Post by ninetyninenine »

oporquinho94 wrote: post #80
ninetyninenine wrote: post #68

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Billionaires are the definition of unfairness. And therefore they are natural. Only From the perspective of civilization, of course, which is only a small fraction of human existence. From the perspective humanity overall, not only are billionaires unnatural, but civilization in itself is unnatural. Hence all the declining birth rates we see today.

Sounds like something you just made up. Kind of moot to argue what is natural and what isn’t. Unfairness or billionaires might be natural or not - that doesn’t mean we have to accept their existence. You know what else is natural? To die at 30 from dysentery or a broken leg. Natural is a nonsense category

You’re sort of confused. The person I’m responding to claimed it wasn’t natural. He came up with the category. So take your illogical argument up with him.

Re: David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Post by slaw »

riffraff wrote: post #102
slaw wrote: post #51

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Not all human population is going to crash. Africa population in 1950 was 228.7 million, in 2025 is 1549 million. Fertility rate in 2025 is 4.05. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/afr/afr...

Africa's fertility rate is dropping fast : 40 years it was above 6, 20 years ago it was above 5, and it dropped by 0.6 in the last ten years. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/afr/afr... most projections expect Africa's population to peak around 2070, which is less than the timeframe GP considered.

Could you share these projections that say Africa's population is going to peak around 2070. I cannot find any.

Re: David Attenborough at 99: 'I will not see how the story ends'

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Post by ninetyninenine »

oporquinho94 wrote: post #81
marcus_holmes wrote: post #77

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Stop eating fish. The fishing industry is destroying the oceans.

Individual actions won’t change the system, you need collective organised action

Exactly. The tragedy of the commons makes it so that individual action of eating the fish is the most rational move.

Mobilizing people to act irrationally is challenging unless they are forced to do it by law.

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Post by chatmasta »

hermitcrab wrote: post #136
chatmasta wrote: post #131

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Won’t they be visible on sonar?

Not sure. But even if they were, do you want to have to survey the path of your dredge before every trawl?

I’d assume it’s pretty standard practice already. Your average Florida Man with a boat has a sonar showing the surface before dropping anchor or throwing fishing line… surely industrial fishing groups would know the area before they start exploiting it. But maybe that’s hoping too much!

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Post by b3lvedere »

Jyaif wrote: post #133
01100011 wrote: post #100

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"Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet, nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine; the people are fucked! Difference! The planet is fine! Compared to the people, The planet is doing great: been here four and a half billion years! Do you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We’ve been here what? 100,000? Maybe 200,000? And we’ve only been engaged in…

If we wanted to, we could set back biodiversity 50 million years, in the sense that it would take 50 million years to get back animals as diverse as there are today. Knowing that earth has 200 million good years left, yes we are pretty damn big threat.

A large enough object coming close enough to our planet could also do that.

Humans have and will continue to destroy lots of living and non-living material. Unless some huge global awareness or higher sentience will reduce that immensly very quickly, humanity as we know it, will end on this planet. With the rising CO2 levels i doubt our intelligence will get any better.

And the planet will quietly do its dance around its star..

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Post by create-username »

colechristensen wrote: post #65
create-username wrote: post #11

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Our generations of the last 10,000 years are seeing how the story decays. When the food supply was abundant, families would jog every day doing BBQ every night hunting down mammoths We have become red in tooth and claw. At the summit of civilisation, we are alienated with our screens, licking frozen TV dinners in our shared flat while we work hard to support our landlords

As long as we have surviving records people have been saying the past was golden and the present is decay with a long list of the present ills which are the downfall of the glorious past. It's a boring take and has been incorrect for thousands of years and will continue to be. Arguments about how some list of things haven't been on a monotonic increase during the last generation do not refute this.

It’s not boring, it explains the demise of the human experience, no matter how bigoted you pretend you are
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