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Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by unshavedyak »

scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

I agree, but i think the thing we often miss in these discussions is how much LLMs have potential to be productivity multipliers.

Yea, they still need to improve a bit - but i suspect there will be a point at which individual devs could be getting 1.5x more work done in aggregate. So if everyone is doing that much more work, it has potential to "take the job" of someone else.

Yea, software is being needed more and more and more, so perhaps it'll just make us that much more dependent on devs and software. But i do think it's important to remember that productivity always has potential to replace devs, and LLMs imo have huge potential in productivity.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by zozbot234 »

scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

> undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified)

This is not an AI thing, plenty of "mid-level" C++ developers could have made that same mistake. New code should not be written in C++.

(I do wonder how Claude AI does when coding Rust, where at least you can be pretty sure that your code will work once it compiles successfully. Or Safe C++, if that ever becomes a thing.)

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by scuol »

unshavedyak wrote: post #31
scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

I agree, but i think the thing we often miss in these discussions is how much LLMs have potential to be productivity multipliers. Yea, they still need to improve a bit - but i suspect there will be a point at which individual devs could be getting 1.5x more work done in aggregate. So if everyone is doing that much more work, it has potential to "take the job" of someone else. Yea, software is being needed more and mo…

Oh I agree it can be a multiplier for sure. I think it's not "AI will take your job" but rather "someone who uses AI well will take your job if you don't learn it".

At least for C++, I've found it does very mediocre at suggesting project code (because it has the tendency to drop in subtle bugs all over the place, you basically have to carefully review it instead of just writing it yourself), but asking things in copilot like "Is there any UB in this file?" (not that it will be perfect, but sometimes it'll point something out) or especially writing tests, I absolutely love it.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by cybrjoe »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #26
WXLCKNO wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been trying every flavor of AI powered development and after trying Claude Code for two days with an API key, I upgraded to the full Max 20x plan. Cursor, Windsurf, Roo Code / Cline, they're fine but nothing feels as thorough and useful to me as Claude Code. The Codex CLI from OpenAI is not bad either, there's just something satisfying about the LLM straight up using the CLI

hey can you explain the appeal of Claude Code vs Cursor? I know the context window part and Cursor RAG-ing it, but isn't IDE integration a a true force multiplier? Or does Claude Code do something similar with "send to chat" / smart (Cursor's TAB feature) autocomplete etc.? I fired it up but it seemed like just Claude in terminal with a lot more manual copy-pasting expected? I tried all the usual suspects in AI-assis…

i rewrote a code base that i’ve been tinkering on for the last 2 years or so this weekend. a complete replatform, new tech stack, ui, infra, the whole nine yards. the rewrite took exactly 3 days, referenced the old code base, online documentation, github issues all without (mostly) ever leaving claude.

it completely blew my mind. i wrote maybe 10 lines of code manually. it’s going to eliminate jobs.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by rangestransform »

scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

> assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified

This is the crux of an interview question I ask, and you’d be amazed how many experienced cpp devs require heavy hints to get it

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by dsign »

quonn wrote: post #13
dsign wrote: post #9

Why look at five years and say "everything is gonna be fine in five years, thus, everything is gonna be fine and we should keep this AI thing going"? It's early days and nobody knows how things will go, but to me it looks that in the next century or so humans are going the way of the horse, at least when it comes to jobs. And if our society doesn't change radically, let's remember that the only way most people have o…

> It's early days and nobody knows how things will go, but to me it looks that in the next century or so How is it early days? AI has been talked about since at least the 50s, neural networks have been a thing since the 80s. If you are worried about how technology will be in a century, why stop right here? Why not take the state of computers in the 60s and stop there? Chances are, if the current wave does not achieve…

I said that one hundred years from now humans would have likely gone the way of the horse. It will be a finished business, not a thing starting. We may take it with some chill, depending on how we value our species and our descendants and the long human history and our legacy. It's a very individual thing. I'm not chill.

There's no comparing the AI we have today with what we had 5 years ago. There's a huge qualitative difference: the AI we had five years ago was reliable but uncreative. The one we have now is quite a bit unreliable but creative at a level comparable with a person. To me, it's just a matter of time before we finish putting the two things together--and we have already started. Another AI winter of the sort we had before seems to me highly unlikely.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by brookst »

kbos87 wrote: post #19

Companies like Nvidia and OpenAI base their answers to any questions on economic risk on their own best interests and a pretty short view of history. They are fighting like hell to make sure they are among a small set of winners while waving away the risk or claiming that there's some better future for the majority of people on the other side of all this. To claim that all of the benefit isn't going to naturally accr…

I’m very skeptical of claims that all things will always do this and never do that, etc.

IMO Jensen and others don’t know where AI is going any more than the rest of us. Your imaginary dystopia is certainly possible, but I would warn against having complete conviction it is the only possible outcome.

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by bugglebeetle »

zozbot234 wrote: post #32
scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

> undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) This is not an AI thing, plenty of "mid-level" C++ developers could have made that same mistake. New code should not be written in C++. (I do wonder how Claude AI does when coding Rust, where at least you can be pretty sure that your code will work once it compiles successfully…

I haven’t tried with the most recent Claude models, but for the last iteration, Gemini was far better at Rust and what I still use to write anything in it. As an experiment, I even fed it a whole ebook on Rust design patterns and a small script (500 lines) and it was able to refactor to use the correct ones, with some minor back and forth to fix build errors!

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by unshavedyak »

scuol wrote: post #33
unshavedyak wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but i think the thing we often miss in these discussions is how much LLMs have potential to be productivity multipliers. Yea, they still need to improve a bit - but i suspect there will be a point at which individual devs could be getting 1.5x more work done in aggregate. So if everyone is doing that much more work, it has potential to "take the job" of someone else. Yea, software is being needed more and mo…

Oh I agree it can be a multiplier for sure. I think it's not "AI will take your job" but rather "someone who uses AI well will take your job if you don't learn it". At least for C++, I've found it does very mediocre at suggesting project code (because it has the tendency to drop in subtle bugs all over the place, you basically have to carefully review it instead of just writing it yourself), but asking things in copi…

Yea i'm a big fan of using it in Rust for that same reason. I watch it work through compile errors constantly, i can't imagine what it would be like in JS or Python

Re: Nvidia CEO criticizes Anthropic boss over his statements on AI

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Post by jeffreygoesto »

zozbot234 wrote: post #32
scuol wrote: post #15

Just this morning, I had Claude come up with a C++ solution that would have undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) just by reading the code. These AI solutions are great, but I have yet to see any solution that makes me fear for my career. It just seems pretty clear that no LLM actually has a "mental model" of how thi…

> undefined behavior that even a mid-level C++ dev could have easily caught (assuming iterator stability in a vector that was being modified) This is not an AI thing, plenty of "mid-level" C++ developers could have made that same mistake. New code should not be written in C++. (I do wonder how Claude AI does when coding Rust, where at least you can be pretty sure that your code will work once it compiles successfully…

Go ahead and modify A Python dict while iterating over it then.
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