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Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by neya »

ukprogrammer wrote: post #12

The productivity of Rails for B2B 'CRUD' software is unmatched. Surprised to not see more newer startups make use of it!

I was a Rails consultant for about 7 years. Then, I switched to Phoenix - really out of just curiosity. Since then, I've never looked back. If you never believed in "Simple is better" philosophy, you will after using Phoenix. The development time is shorter, the bugs are far less since you catch them at compile time and the development experience is unmatched. Oh, and did I mention performance? You can get insane performance just out of the box.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by sanswork »

kybishop wrote: post #18
ukprogrammer wrote: post #12

The productivity of Rails for B2B 'CRUD' software is unmatched. Surprised to not see more newer startups make use of it!

After programming with elixir and phoenix for a few years (with many prior years of rails experience) I have a hard time seeing why one would choose rails. Elixir is more performant, has compiler safety guarantees that are only getting better as types are introduced, is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM), and... it's just way more fun (subjective I know). Elixir is what I…

I switched fully to elixir close to a decade ago now and library availability is still lagging. For pretty much any company I can be pretty sure there will be JS/Ruby/Python/C#/Java integrations/libraries and occasionally you'll find one for elixir maintained by someone that stopped responding to github issues 3 years ago.

It's definitely better but I can definitely see why you'd still choose rails these days.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by nopcode »

neya wrote: post #21
ukprogrammer wrote: post #12

The productivity of Rails for B2B 'CRUD' software is unmatched. Surprised to not see more newer startups make use of it!

I was a Rails consultant for about 7 years. Then, I switched to Phoenix - really out of just curiosity. Since then, I've never looked back. If you never believed in "Simple is better" philosophy, you will after using Phoenix. The development time is shorter, the bugs are far less since you catch them at compile time and the development experience is unmatched. Oh, and did I mention performance? You can get insane per…

I keep reading about a shortage of phoenix jobs. Any advice?

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by nopcode »

aqme28 wrote: post #17
nurettin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire 2012 scene used Rails. Then they realized it was hard to scale and rewrote everything in Go.

It scales just fine. AirBnB, Github, and Shopify use it.

It does now, but it took a few years for rails to do what nodejs did when it came out (the live chat demo app).

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by demosthanos »

kybishop wrote: post #18
ukprogrammer wrote: post #12

The productivity of Rails for B2B 'CRUD' software is unmatched. Surprised to not see more newer startups make use of it!

After programming with elixir and phoenix for a few years (with many prior years of rails experience) I have a hard time seeing why one would choose rails. Elixir is more performant, has compiler safety guarantees that are only getting better as types are introduced, is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM), and... it's just way more fun (subjective I know). Elixir is what I…

> is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM)

Nit: this makes it sounds like the BEAM was designed for web dev, which it was not. Erlang came out of Ericsson and was built for telecoms (OTP stands for Open Telecom Platform), which is where its unique set of trade-offs comes from. Many of those trade-offs make a ton of sense for web but that's not because it was designed for web, it's because there's overlap between the fields.

One way to see the difference between telecoms and web is to ask yourself when was the last time that you were working on a project with an availability SLA of 9 nines (1/3 of a second of downtime per year) or even 6 nines (32s per year). Some web dev has that, but most doesn't come close, and if that's not you then Erlang wasn't built for you (though you may still find you like it for other reasons!).

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by tiffanyh »

kybishop wrote: post #18
ukprogrammer wrote: post #12

The productivity of Rails for B2B 'CRUD' software is unmatched. Surprised to not see more newer startups make use of it!

After programming with elixir and phoenix for a few years (with many prior years of rails experience) I have a hard time seeing why one would choose rails. Elixir is more performant, has compiler safety guarantees that are only getting better as types are introduced, is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM), and... it's just way more fun (subjective I know). Elixir is what I…

Benchmarks of Phoenix vs Rails.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r23&f=z...

Ranging from 1.5-3.5x faster.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by wiseowise »

kloop wrote: post #15
nurettin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire 2012 scene used Rails. Then they realized it was hard to scale and rewrote everything in Go.

That makes perfect sense for people that need to scale. But doesn't explain why newer start ups aren't using it. Doing things that don't scale is a proven strategy at the beginning, pg even has a post about it https://www.paulgraham.com/ds.html

No static typing would be a good dealbreaker for us.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by bhaak »

kybishop wrote: post #18
ukprogrammer wrote: post #12

The productivity of Rails for B2B 'CRUD' software is unmatched. Surprised to not see more newer startups make use of it!

After programming with elixir and phoenix for a few years (with many prior years of rails experience) I have a hard time seeing why one would choose rails. Elixir is more performant, has compiler safety guarantees that are only getting better as types are introduced, is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM), and... it's just way more fun (subjective I know). Elixir is what I…

Rails might be 90% better for webdev than the rest while Elixir might be 95% better. Talk about diminishing returns.

Add in problems finding developers skilled in Elixir and Phoenix and the small available libraries.

Of course, you also have that to some degree in Rails but it is much less pronounced.

Re: Ruby on Rails Audit Complete

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Post by sergiotapia »

kybishop wrote: post #18
ukprogrammer wrote: post #12

The productivity of Rails for B2B 'CRUD' software is unmatched. Surprised to not see more newer startups make use of it!

After programming with elixir and phoenix for a few years (with many prior years of rails experience) I have a hard time seeing why one would choose rails. Elixir is more performant, has compiler safety guarantees that are only getting better as types are introduced, is actually designed from the ground up for web dev (being based on the Erlang VM), and... it's just way more fun (subjective I know). Elixir is what I…

Rails has more baked in for the typical crud app. Example:

Try to create a way for people to upload documents like images and PDFs and documents. Okay easy enough on both platforms and I want you to generate a preview for each of those files so that people can easily find those files. Now I want you to add pagination. Now I want you to add column sorting so that people can sort by file size or by name or by upload date. Finally I want you to add a search field. Going by the way all of this stuff needs to live in the URL so that you can bookmark all the different you know choices you've made.

The stuff is pretty trivial and rails but in elixir you would have to bake it all yourself very boring code that doesn't really matter. This is why I chose to build my startups admin dashboard in rails despite our main production API being an elixir.

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