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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> Any app can trivially extract your signal conversations There is a security model baked in to the mobile OS that usually does not allow that.

Yes, and it can be subverted when the mobile OS is compromised.

That doesn't lead to

> Any app can trivially extract your signal conversations

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Who cares at this point? If you're a journalist and you don't have basic OPSEC for cyber stuff, there is no point in doing sensitive work. Nobody is really accountable for those kind of things anyway.

I care I care a lot

Cyber warfare is an lawless field

That's why it's important to take some precautions

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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We agree that the ideology you are spouting is similar to the ideas that underpin nazism, and justifies genocide in the name of peace. After that, we have nothing else we agree on, because your ideology is based on a false description of reality.

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You’ve created a false choice between endless war and peace thru genocide. Both have been enacted by israel. Pre-oct-7th “trimming the weeds” israel, and the post-oct-7th ethnic cleansing of gaza. The problem isn’t which option you chose - the problem is the framework of the choice is based on a lie and leads to evil actions either choice.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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This is my irritating reminder that there is a whole marketplace of implant/CNE products, most of which you have never heard of, produced in basically every jurisdiction in the world. It used to be NSO Group that got all the press, now it's Paragon, and I think it's all for the good that the spotlight gets shone on these companies, but do keep in mind that this is not an "Israeli" phenomenon. There are American compa…

The issue isn't the mere existence of spyware companies globally. The issue is that Israeli companies in particular have cornered the market on selling to the world's worst human rights abusers, with catastrophic consequences. Let's be specific: NSO Group sold Pegasus to Saudi Arabia, who used it to track Jamal Khashoggi's inner circle before his assassination. They sold to Mexico, where it was used to target journal…

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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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You’ve created a false choice between endless war and peace thru genocide. Both have been enacted by israel. Pre-oct-7th “trimming the weeds” israel, and the post-oct-7th ethnic cleansing of gaza. The problem isn’t which option you chose - the problem is the framework of the choice is based on a lie and leads to evil actions either choice.

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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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It's just like how joining the hitler youth makes you a nazi

It’s not a productive label when used like that though.

Is it not? If someone is raised catholic it’s best to assume they’re still catholic unless they disavow catholicism - in which case they are an ex-catholic

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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>The Jews in Palestine were living happily alongside the Muslims. Sure. Just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safed_massacre Must be an accident the most Right-wing Israeli voting block is composed exactly of the Jews who were living with Muslims. >Einstein... refused to be associated with the Zionist project. Well, not exactly: https://www.britannica.com/story/the-time-albert-einstein-wa... >Just admit it…

You stop lying. He did not support the establishment of a Jewish state to rule by violence and terrorism over a majority that is non-Jewish. Read his own words: https://www.shapell.org/manuscript/einstein-zionist-views-in...

You seem to have a mindset that prevents you from perceiving reality.

Israel is a country where all of its people live peacefully with each other according to the same rules, including the 20% of its population is Arab. The problem Israel has is not between its citizens, which is the most diverse group of people in the entire middle east. Arabs and Jews can live peacefully together, they currently do so in Israel, and while Jews are the majority, they do not rule the Arab minority with violence or terrorism or by imposing on them a different set of rules or laws.

The Arabs in Gaza, which is not Israel, on the other hand, live in abysmal conditions, one that I would not wish upon anyone. Unfortunately, they have been indoctrinated from birth to hate Jews by their leaders, and leaders of other countries. They hate Jews more than they love themselves. They have clearly stated on many occasions that their intention is to destroy Israel and kill its Jews. For half of the past 80 years, Arabs in Gaza have had their freedom - from 1947 to 1967 and from 2005 to 2025. Both times they chose to use that time not to better themselves, but to arm themselves to fight Israel.

This is not about being Jewish or Arab, it is about the sane and the insane.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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> what group? If you mean arabs, israeli arabs enjoy full citizenship rights. Disingenuous. The existence of arab israelis who enjoy some degree of equality within israel doesn’t refute the existence of an apartheid. A gazan can’t just decide they’re cool with israel and travel freely around the country they are occupied within.

>who enjoy some degree of equality That's a malicious misrepresentation. They enjoy the same rights and protections as any other citizen according to the law. The rest of your comment is down to some hideously complicated political arrangements peace treaties etc where most arabs living in israel prefer their own state and citizenship. At the least it 's an extremely strange apartheid when 2 million arabs are not par…

Egypt doesn’t claim that gaza is part of egypt, while simultaneously denying that they aren’t occupying them.

Also there has been plenty of violence in gaza in that time period. 6,407 palestinians and 308 israelis. On the palestinian side that’s about two 9/11s, or around six oct 7ths.

Check the fatalities section of this article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_...

As for equality:

“Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

So while they may be equal in law, that doesn’t mean they have full equality. Hence my wording “some degree of equality”

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Absolutely not. Some of them are far more ruthless, some of them much more principled.

I've seen you reference these actors previously. Is there a reason you won't name them? Is this an industry code of silence, or fear of retribution?

There is a reason I won't name them --- the ones I know about, a fraction of the total market --- it's not interesting, and I'm not going to get into it.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Based on what you're saying, I think I know more about this market than you do. I'm comfortable with who does and does not take me seriously. For those people who do: this "Israel" stuff is not useful for understanding what's happening in the world with respect to CNE tools.

A long time ago, I went to my first (and only) Defcon conference. There was a speaker who had worked in the US government talking about state use of hacking tools. After the talk I went up to him and asked, "What are the countries that are using these tools?" He looked at me with a certain amount of scorn and said, "All of them."

This obviously just has to be true. I have very strong evidence that it's true, but it's also just the most obvious possible conclusion to reach. Competitive CNE tooling even at the top of the market costs just a fraction of what you'd have to pay in benefits and overhead for the equivalent HUMINT operations.
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