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Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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rstat1 wrote: post #181
refurb wrote: post #139

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You're not supposed to take the Democratic talking points about Trump being a "wannabe dictator" seriously. It's just political mudslinging. I figured that was obvious after Trump and Obama were all buddy-buddy at Carter's funeral. I mean, typically you don't have a friendly relationship with someone you think is ending democracy in your country.

I take it you're not big on the whole "actions speak louder than words" thing are you?

I absolutely am!

Which is why when Obama and Trump looked like they were best friends, that action spoke way louder than Obama's words.

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toomanyrichies wrote: post #235
refurb wrote: post #139

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You're not supposed to take the Democratic talking points about Trump being a "wannabe dictator" seriously. It's just political mudslinging. I figured that was obvious after Trump and Obama were all buddy-buddy at Carter's funeral. I mean, typically you don't have a friendly relationship with someone you think is ending democracy in your country.

> I figured that was obvious after Trump and Obama were all buddy-buddy at Carter's funeral. Please tell me this isn't the only data point you're basing your conclusion on. It's social protocol that funeral attendees treat each other in a civil manner, even if they intensely dislike each other. I'm autistic, but even I know that social rule.

Have you not see the video? It wasn't civil, it looked like a couple of long-lost best friends catching up.

Obama had made his comments about "wannabe dictator" only a week or so earlier.

Actions speak louder than words.

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Post by omikun »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #360
ethbr1 wrote: post #238

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People who think that's a massive elephant are shortsighted. You know what illegal immigrants do? Work. For shitty wages. You know what that does? Boosts the US' labor force and economy, which buffers the declining fertility rate [0]. The fact that anti-immigration (of any sort) folks never think beyond first-effects is mind boggling. Illegal immigration causes some problems; it also solves others. [0] https://en.m.w…

You parent is wrong but so are you and you make the same mistakes. The effects you describe have higher order effects as well that can indeed have negative effects. Not saying republicans would give a crap about them, but they are undeniable. For wages developments and housing prices, topics that fundamentally influence basic needs very much in contrast to GDP growths, even if there are positive side effects as well.…

You think illegal immigrants working for sub minimum wages is pushing housing prices up? Care to explain that line of logic? Cheap labor lowers cost of housing development too.

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Post by deadbabe »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #345
deadbabe wrote: post #331

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Putting people on a moon isn’t low bang for the buck IMO.

> $200B to put a man on the moon vs < $100M to put a robot on the moon.

It is not that massive of a cost. $3 to $4 billion to put men on the moon. And if you’re doing it regularly you can eventually make optimizations to cost and bring that price down at least to 10%. But we’re out of practice. It’s been almost 60 years.

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Post by rockemsockem »

trust_bt_verify wrote: post #347
rockemsockem wrote: post #335

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What are things the government has actually built themselves without private contracts?

What are some private contracts which do not contain the bloat of private profit?

Government employees profit from work they do too. There is no enterprise that people should engage in that does not provide profit to them personally.

What are you saying?

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Post by rockemsockem »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #363
sc68cal wrote: post #195

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NASA has not been effective in 50 years. Maybe time to try something else?

As I understand it JPL has been pretty effective, but that's a very small part of NASA overall.

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Post by rockemsockem »

bumby wrote: post #375
HDThoreaun wrote: post #363

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NASA has not been effective in 50 years. Maybe time to try something else?

How are you measuring effectiveness? It seems like you might have a pretty shallow perspective on what NASA does and what their goals are. For example, do you know how many mission directorates they have and how they differ?

Not the person you're responding to, but JWT, SLS, and several other projects have suffered extreme bloat in both cost and timeline. Mega projects like that are some of the most public -facing things NASA does, so they unfortunately tend to drive public perception.

I will never argue that NASA doesn't accomplish amazing things, but large parts of the organization are ineffective. IDK if I'd go so far as to say the entire organization is ineffective, but large parts are.

I also don't think we should cut NASA's budget at all. We should cut the bloat and redirect it to more projects.

Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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Post by toomanyrichies »

refurb wrote: post #382
toomanyrichies wrote: post #235

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> I figured that was obvious after Trump and Obama were all buddy-buddy at Carter's funeral. Please tell me this isn't the only data point you're basing your conclusion on. It's social protocol that funeral attendees treat each other in a civil manner, even if they intensely dislike each other. I'm autistic, but even I know that social rule.

Have you not see the video? It wasn't civil, it looked like a couple of long-lost best friends catching up. Obama had made his comments about "wannabe dictator" only a week or so earlier. Actions speak louder than words.

I don't care if they're slapping each other's backs and high-fiving! Trump is currently the most powerful person in the world, and has a long and storied history of using that power to harm those who slight him or bruise his fragile ego in any way.

Obama knows this; he's been on the receiving of Trump's petty vindictiveness too many times to count. And he could just as easily be placating Trump so that he doesn't issue an executive order to, say, require every publicly-funded university in the US to offer a "men's rights studies" major, simply out of spite.

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