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US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by mandmandam »

Intermernet wrote: post #334
tptacek wrote: post #294

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Absolutely not. Some of them are far more ruthless, some of them much more principled.

I've seen you reference these actors previously. Is there a reason you won't name them? Is this an industry code of silence, or fear of retribution?

This isn't the first of these takes regarding Israel by that poster, where they present themselves as 'not supportive of Israel, just presenting a balanced perspective' (while wildly distorting reality).

Since tptacek likes to present themselves as an authority on this kind of stuff, and does indeed have a reputation here, I feel it's important to point out that this isn't the first time they've carried water for Israel like this.

Examples: Calling Israel's exploding pagers war crime "surgical" [0] - which it absolutely was not, or, saying that Hamas should've taken the ceasefire deal they were offered [1] (rightly called out in the replies).

It's absurd to try and claim that Israel is 'no better or worse' than other nations in the 'spying on journalists phones' department. Especially when you look at why.

0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41570806

1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42720493

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by mandmandam »

Gud wrote: post #298
JohnKemeny wrote: post #296

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Israel is both a close U.S. ally and a pariah state in the eyes of much of the international community due to its policies toward Palestinians, creating cognitive dissonance for those who support democratic values yet continue to justify or overlook actions widely seen as violations of human rights. But not for you.

Sorry what? I’m not a fan of Israel, but clearly Israel is not a “pariah state” because you and I don’t like them.

Worldwide, if you say "pariah state" people think Israel.

If you don't think so, be warned, you are in a dangerous bubble.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by DoctorOW »

PeterStuer wrote: post #299
kennywinker wrote: post #8

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Headlines are written by the publisher not the author. They’re written to maximize readership. The fact that spying happened in italy by italians is mostly only interesting to italians. The fact that the US backs an israeli company that sells spying tools is interesting to many more people. You can see the selling clicks, but because they’re not twisting the truth or saying something misleading - in this case I mostl…

It's the AP. It's writing is not to 'maximize readership'. It is pushing an agenda to a select audience.

Nobody who knows what the AP is would describe them that way. It's a non-profit news wire, they write up the national/international stories so that smaller newsrooms don't have to redo this work. The person who listens to newsradio, and the person who gets their local news from the Internet (Facebook/Twitter/Reddit posts of articles or whatever) have very little in common with how they stay informed but unless your radio station is sending war reporters to the Middle East are people are part of the AP audience.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by yard2010 »

rijoja wrote: post #333
ashoeafoot wrote: post #311

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Chomsky has supported "anti-imperialist" russia and ignored all warnings by the eastern European people, who dared to walk out on socialism in a freedom movement. Blood on the hands, blood on the quill, blood in the will..

That might be true, but it doesn't disprove the fact that this is happening, does it?

I think it's a matter of lesser evil..

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by yard2010 »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #253
sva_ wrote: post #171

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I mean what can you feasibly do against these zero-click exploits? There's only really two things you can do: 1. keep your phone's identifiers secret, as they must target the devices in some way (like phone number/email/whatever) or 2. don't own a phone

> 2. don't own a phone Honestly I don't think this is going to protect you if you are being targeted. We've already seen what can happen with pagers

I don't know if you're joking or not, but unless you plan on invading a country, killing raping and burning alive civilians, and all this for your half-retarded religion and/or your inability to accept anyone who is different than you, you're safe.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by yard2010 »

DSingularity wrote: post #270
whodidntante wrote: post #238

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Interesting. I provided three facts and an opinion that 1200 years of rule created a mindset that would not allow for the independence of those considered "inferior". You also realize that this 1200 year rule was based on violent conquest, slavery, ethnic cleaning, genocide, and apartheid. Your response is all conjecture and assumptions. There is no reason that there could not have been peace with two states in 1947.…

Stop trying to revise history. The Jews in Palestine were living happily alongside the Muslims. Problems didn’t start until the European Jews arrived to implement Zionism. The end of Ottoman Empire was decades before Zionist terrorists founded Israel (Lehi, Irgun, Haganah). These are facts. Israel was founded on theft and by ethnically cleansing Palestine of its indigenous people through non-stop atrocities and terro…

Enough with this anti-semite shit posting. If you really care about anyone, be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by yard2010 »

DSingularity wrote: post #274
ty6853 wrote: post #249

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When you consider the only way to achieve that is to first kill off all humans or set them into the stone age, yes I would say so.

I’ve only seen these kinds of mental gymnastics from Zionists who are forced into this non-coherent blabber to distract from their inhumanity. You must destroy peace for nearly a century to have peace? But then we haven’t had peace for a hundred years genius. Keep pretending like your murder of children is the way towards peace. The rest of the world will just look at it with disgust.

This is far from what zionism is about, this is a deranged take of some psycho on the internet.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #335
yb6677 wrote: post #319

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There isn’t much technical details there either. They list the servers it connected to and log entry but that’s it. It mentions a CVE number but the apple link is generic and mo details on the CVE database. Has this even been fixed by apple?

we talking about state sponsored actor with zero day vuln here You would not find info anywhere

Why not?
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