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Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by cageface »

mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

They have.

I have both an iPhone 4S and a Galaxy S3 and the 4S has been relegated to app testing duty because the S3 is a better phone in almost every respect. It doesn't have quite the same level of polish that the iPhone does but it more than makes up for it with a richer, more flexible feature set and a much bigger and more usable screen.

I don't think anybody that's spent any length of time actually using a recent Samsung Android phone can argue in good faith that it's nothing more than a copy. If Apple succeeds in keeping products like this off the market it will be to the consumer's detriment.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

Pffffffft. The GSGIII is a cheap ripoff of the 4S? Wow. Is this a real comment?

I literally don't have words for people who still believe this utter lunacy. Hell the SGS3 isn't even cheaper.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by nsp »

gnarbarian wrote: post #5
mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

I sold my iphone 4s to get a galaxy nexus. I like it way better. It's not a knockoff at all.

The Galaxy Nexus also isn't in the lawsuit. It only applies to phones no longer in the market (it takes awhile to get to trial), and the trade dress portion of the suit focuses on samsung's android skin, touchwiz, which isn't on the nexus.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by zmmmmm »

enraged_camel wrote: post #16
theoj wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> if companies are continuously innovative Those companies that are continuously innovative have nothing to fear from copycats... because they are always one step ahead of the copycats. Companies which want to prevent everyone from "copying" (going as far as saying that you cannot apply to computers the minimalist style that they didn't even invent[1]) do so because they don't want to innovate -- they want to live l…

I cannot find any word other than "bullocks" to describe your argument. If you spent billions of dollars in R&D to come up with an innovative and revolutionary product and sold millions of it, and six months later someone produced imitations of it and sold millions as well, you would be pissed regardless of how many steps ahead you were. Reason is simple: they would be free-riding on your hard work.

A few corrections ...

> an innovative and revolutionary product

an innovative step based on an existing long line of 20 years of mobile devices from many various different companies

> six months later

3 years & $100b in the bank later

> someone produced imitations

someone produced high quality competing products with innovations of their own that outclass your own in many respects

> you would be pissed

you would launch thermonuclear war based on abuse of patent system to attempt to destroy all competition in the market place

> Reason is simple: they would be free-riding on your hard work

Reason is simple: you refuse to compete on price, features, form factor or all kinds of other things consumers care about and are seeing dramatic gains in market share from your competitors who do offer these things

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by enraged_camel »

neya wrote: post #19
enraged_camel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot find any word other than "bullocks" to describe your argument. If you spent billions of dollars in R&D to come up with an innovative and revolutionary product and sold millions of it, and six months later someone produced imitations of it and sold millions as well, you would be pissed regardless of how many steps ahead you were. Reason is simple: they would be free-riding on your hard work.

>innovative and revolutionary product Are you a salesman for Apple? Cut out the junk words, seriously. There's nothing wrong in defending a product/company you like, but just don't push it too far.

The iPhone completely changed - revolutionized - the cellphone industry, and the iPad single-handedly revived an industry long thought dead. Do you deny it? Please give a serious answer.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by radley »

Anyone else tired of this?

I've used Apple products for 20 years. There's nothing that new in iDevices except the rubber-band thing. Who here thinks the the guy who came up with that really wants to stick it to Samsung? Android maybe, but c'mon.

What a waste.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by bkorte »

neya wrote: post #19
enraged_camel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot find any word other than "bullocks" to describe your argument. If you spent billions of dollars in R&D to come up with an innovative and revolutionary product and sold millions of it, and six months later someone produced imitations of it and sold millions as well, you would be pissed regardless of how many steps ahead you were. Reason is simple: they would be free-riding on your hard work.

>innovative and revolutionary product Are you a salesman for Apple? Cut out the junk words, seriously. There's nothing wrong in defending a product/company you like, but just don't push it too far.

Go look at devices before & after the iPhone was announced. If you still think it wasn't revolutionary, you're a moron.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by jaekwon »

mrharrison wrote: post #12
jaekwon wrote: post #9

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I want to live in a world where this is OK and expected. I expect competitors to build upon my work and I would love to see them win. Apple had already won my respect and loyalty with the iPhone and iOS. They lost my respect when they went against Samsung.

Open source is awesome, I submit pull requests often. Apple did not open source. Thats the problem, we live in a world with open source tools and tools for stealing music, movies etc.. and our moral compasses have adjusted to just taking. Sharing is great, but a company doesn't make something and say here take all of my ideas and make money off of it. Unless you are google, then they say "here take," but look at my a…

We'll see. I'm going to try the "here take" approach and see what happens. Methinks it'll work out great.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by simonh »

I think we all agree the actual counterfeiting is wrong, no? You can't produce a fake of someone's product. How about if you create as close to a duplicate as possible, but don't actually pretend it's the original? Is that OK?

Samsung haven't done that either, but they've created (some) products that look extremely similar to Apple products, in similar packaging, even going so far as to putApple icons and the icons of Apps exclusive to the iPhone in their marketing materials. Some of Samsung's Apple copying has been hilariously comical in it's ineptness.

If there is a line it's possible to cross, then I think in some products Samsung have crossed it. Not every product, not even all the ones Apple is citing, but some of them. To me this is nothing to do with patents, I and against software patents, it's about trade dress and brand confusion. I wish Apple had more narrowly focused their objections on those specific issues.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by tjoff »

Blara wrote: post #14
its_so_on wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are as confused as Apple legal. Apple's true problem when Samsung "crossed a line" isn't copying: it's brand confusion. The moment Samsung decided that they would sell units by being literally confused for an Apple device that one already knows closely is when they started accruing damages they should now pay Apple in order to make the situation equitable. This is like Wendy's deciding: "Fuck being third. From no…

I guess I'm some sort of über Mensch, but I have no difficulty at all to separate an iP* for a ditto samsung version...

The problem is that for a lot of people there is only one smartphone. So if a phone has a large screen it is an iPhone, makes it kind of hard to design a smartphone that doesn't look like... a smartphone.

Just as for many an "iphone compatible car" is the same as "it has a 3.5mm socket".

For those that honestly are confused I guess they should be really happy about LCD TVs, otherwise they might have ended up with a microwave oven in their living room (yes, it is that ridiculous).

(wait a minute, glass surface, four corners, Electrolux should be afraid)

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