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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by impulser_ »

bravesoul2 wrote: post #523
impulser_ wrote: post #500

Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the 737 and 737 Max, yet there hasn't been a single major accident like this and the Max crashes in the US. Are these planes not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes as much as in the US?

You are comparing the US pop 350m (?) to rest of the world pop 8850m. Sure planes per capita are higher in US but it's an unfair comparison. Not to say there isn't something there to dive into with data and some countries are safer than others to fly. And definitely some airlines than others.

Yeah, but the US puts significantly more miles on these planes and yet not a single accident has happened. So it's not the plane, unless these foreign airlines are getting the defunct planes. It has to be either poor maintenance or poor pilot training.

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Post by delta_p_delta_x »

impulser_ wrote: post #500

Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the 737 and 737 Max, yet there hasn't been a single major accident like this and the Max crashes in the US. Are these planes not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes as much as in the US?

> Why is it always foreign airlines that crash?

I suppose US Airways 1549 wasn't American, then. I wonder what the 'US' in the name was for, then. If the bird strike had happened earlier in the flight where the plane would've had less altitude and speed, a very similar result to AI171 could've happened.

Or more recently, I suppose DCA isn't in the US either, and PSA Airlines isn't American.

This comment is subliminal racism disguised as thoughtful 'are these pilots not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes', when the corrupt cesspool that is the US somehow churned out the disaster of an aeroplane system that was MCAS.

What a bell-end of a commenter.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by gosub100 »

snickerbockers wrote: post #59
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25

Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

I hate so much how whenever something bad happens there's a huge rush to come up with theories that place the blame on some group or ideology you already hated for unrelated reasons. I've stopped paying attention to the news in part because I don't like how disingenuously giddy people get whenever there's a mass-casualty event. I don't even mind morbid curiosity about death and suffering but nobody should ever see it…

This is why I despise Trump-bashing. Not that I think he's a particularly great person or leader, but when everything going wrong in the world gets tied back to him, I know it's ideologically driven.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by defrost »

foldr wrote: post #490
defrost wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pilots, aircraft engineers, and safety regulators also sit in aircraft. The phrase "line kilometres" might indicate a smidgeon of aviation industry adjacency to some. EDIT: Above and below comments appear to be low grade random sniping in bad faith. There's a failure to address content and specifics and a straw assertion about "more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators", a claim that was never mad…

We know that twin-engined airliners can successfully take off on one engine. It happens from time to time. E.g. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna179267

At no point did I claim that multiple engine aircraft cannot complete a take off on a single engine.

The statement I made:

> Aircraft can land (in right circumstances) by gliding in sans power .. the same cannot be said for take offs.

is about having _no_ thrust power during take off.

The other statement I made acknowledged that test pilots in planned and scheduled clear weather conditions often test aircraft with mock engine failures, then pointed out that this is very different to an unexpected failure during non test flights.

Yes, sometimes these things work out alright (as per your example), other times not so much.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by defrost »

Symbiote wrote: post #373
defrost wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pilots, aircraft engineers, and safety regulators also sit in aircraft. The phrase "line kilometres" might indicate a smidgeon of aviation industry adjacency to some. EDIT: Above and below comments appear to be low grade random sniping in bad faith. There's a failure to address content and specifics and a straw assertion about "more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators", a claim that was never mad…

I can reinstate the reply if you like, but michaelt made the same point moments after I did, and I preferred his "jargon" rather than my "fancy vocabulary".

I'd prefer if you addressed the content of my two comments above your https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44257232 and explain which part caused you to imply I believe myself to have "more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators".

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Post by ycombinatrix »

franktankbank wrote: post #515
whycome wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly they concatenate his names just as it appears in the passenger manifest (which airlines often do). But that’s not his name.

What do you mean that's not his name?

They concatenated the first name & middle name i think.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by timnetworks »

wkat4242 wrote: post #546
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25

Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

It depends. It also gives the spin doctors time to do their thing, remove tracks etc. For example, when MH17 was shot down by the Russian-backed rebels, they posted celebratory posts to twitter (they thought it was a Ukrainian military transport). Also, pictures of the actual SAM battery were taken as it was rushed back to Russia in the coverup. A few hours later all that got deleted and the spin machine started. "No…

russia is a tryharderist state

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by tharkun__ »

nindalf wrote: post #205
blitzar wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro tip from a lifelong life enthusiast: if its breaking news, wait one week - first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive. Flick through last weeks newspaper if you need reassurance.

Pro tip from an absolute rando: don’t bother with any source of breaking news. Read a weekly paper that summarises the important stuff. If something is truly pressing, you’ll hear about it from friends or coworkers.

Pro tip from another rando: If you hear about it from friends or coworkers, don't assume it's pressing.

It might just be sensational and of course they repeat it, just like they'd send on a chain letter/email etc. back in the day.

Form your own opinion, based on multiple source plus your own judgement.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by teitoklien »

carabiner wrote: post #535
teitoklien wrote: post #435

A Boeing Whistleblower engineer had warned of premature failure of this Boeing 787 Dreamliner and had asked US congress to bring down every single plane of this model type 1 year ago. He died of “suicide” suspiciously right after. I hope Boeing gets investigated for failure after failure after failure, and crashes it has caused recently. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whis...

The whistleblower in your linked article, Sam Salehpour, is still alive.

Oh ! , you're right I'll edit the comment (wont let me edit anymore, i hope others read this comment).

I mixed him with the other Boeing Whistleblower John Barnett Thanks !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barnett_(whistleblower)

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