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Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by badclient »

mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

Please define "copying."

I totally agree that consumers benefit most when companies innovate. I also think that companies like Samsung can innovate on bigger items if they make their pencil icon look similar to the iPhone's pencil icon. Would you agree?

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by mrharrison »

jaekwon wrote: post #9
mrharrison wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/08/21/apple_samsung_...

I want to live in a world where this is OK and expected. I expect competitors to build upon my work and I would love to see them win. Apple had already won my respect and loyalty with the iPhone and iOS. They lost my respect when they went against Samsung.

Open source is awesome, I submit pull requests often. Apple did not open source. Thats the problem, we live in a world with open source tools and tools for stealing music, movies etc.. and our moral compasses have adjusted to just taking. Sharing is great, but a company doesn't make something and say here take all of my ideas and make money off of it. Unless you are google, then they say "here take," but look at my ads while you are taking.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by enraged_camel »

badclient wrote: post #11
mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

Please define "copying." I totally agree that consumers benefit most when companies innovate. I also think that companies like Samsung can innovate on bigger items if they make their pencil icon look similar to the iPhone's pencil icon. Would you agree?

>>Please define "copying."

That's easy. Just look at the internal Samsung design documentation in which Samsung product engineers made recommendations to flat out imitate numerous aspects iPhone's design. Here it is for your convenience: http://www.scribd.com/doc/102317767/Samsung-Relative-Evaluat...

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by Blara »

its_so_on wrote: post #7
mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

you are as confused as Apple legal. Apple's true problem when Samsung "crossed a line" isn't copying: it's brand confusion. The moment Samsung decided that they would sell units by being literally confused for an Apple device that one already knows closely is when they started accruing damages they should now pay Apple in order to make the situation equitable. This is like Wendy's deciding: "Fuck being third. From no…

I guess I'm some sort of über Mensch, but I have no difficulty at all to separate an iP* for a ditto samsung version...

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by enraged_camel »

theoj wrote: post #8
mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

>> if companies are continuously innovative Those companies that are continuously innovative have nothing to fear from copycats... because they are always one step ahead of the copycats. Companies which want to prevent everyone from "copying" (going as far as saying that you cannot apply to computers the minimalist style that they didn't even invent[1]) do so because they don't want to innovate -- they want to live l…

I cannot find any word other than "bullocks" to describe your argument. If you spent billions of dollars in R&D to come up with an innovative and revolutionary product and sold millions of it, and six months later someone produced imitations of it and sold millions as well, you would be pissed regardless of how many steps ahead you were. Reason is simple: they would be free-riding on your hard work.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by rustynails »

mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

Thank you for that insight mr Harrison. If you're talking about the packaging and connector, i completely agree. If you're talking about the form factor, I STRONGLY disagree.

Apple whole heartedly borrowed from knight Ridder. So what? The design is simple and makes sense. This is how society benefits - the simple stuff is copied. More complex things like algorithms deserve some protection, but not beveled edges, scrolling lists, etc.

Apple have behaved very badly in this law suit. They are not the only ones, but it does not excuse Apple at all.

My loyalty is to society and freedom to innovate (which includes standing on the shoulders of giants) - not to Apple or Samsung. I hope you share this perspective too, as your comment implied otherwise.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by neya »

mrharrison wrote: post #3

Well the consumer most benefits, if companies are continuously innovative, not copying each other and selling for cheaper. This article missed the point. Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone. Not some cheap ripoff.

Bias like this only helps fuel a flame war. Enjoying the pull down notification menu on your iPhone? You should be. That's a cheap 'rip off' by Apple, as per your definition.

>and selling for cheaper.

There are many people who want to pay only for what a product is worth and not twice the price of what its worth.

>Why doesn't Samsung actually make something better than the iPhone.

They did, check out the Galaxy S3, still a better gadget than your iPhone. Any day.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by neya »

enraged_camel wrote: post #16
theoj wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> if companies are continuously innovative Those companies that are continuously innovative have nothing to fear from copycats... because they are always one step ahead of the copycats. Companies which want to prevent everyone from "copying" (going as far as saying that you cannot apply to computers the minimalist style that they didn't even invent[1]) do so because they don't want to innovate -- they want to live l…

I cannot find any word other than "bullocks" to describe your argument. If you spent billions of dollars in R&D to come up with an innovative and revolutionary product and sold millions of it, and six months later someone produced imitations of it and sold millions as well, you would be pissed regardless of how many steps ahead you were. Reason is simple: they would be free-riding on your hard work.

>innovative and revolutionary product

Are you a salesman for Apple? Cut out the junk words, seriously. There's nothing wrong in defending a product/company you like, but just don't push it too far.

Re: Apple and Samsung Should Fight in the Marketplace, not the Courtroom

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Post by sbuk »

neya wrote: post #19
enraged_camel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot find any word other than "bullocks" to describe your argument. If you spent billions of dollars in R&D to come up with an innovative and revolutionary product and sold millions of it, and six months later someone produced imitations of it and sold millions as well, you would be pissed regardless of how many steps ahead you were. Reason is simple: they would be free-riding on your hard work.

>innovative and revolutionary product Are you a salesman for Apple? Cut out the junk words, seriously. There's nothing wrong in defending a product/company you like, but just don't push it too far.

It's a troll piece from the EFF and has been responded to on both sides in a similar fashion. Leave this nonsense for the Reddit boards. It's about time we all stopped being so damned idealogical about computing and computers, phones and tablets and actually spend the wasted cycles arguing about it to produce great things. All of it is just pissing in the wind.

And I don't care who started it.

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