https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c626y121rxxo
Goes through the usual speculations. However it mentions interesting the region has a high number of bird strikes.
Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard
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#522Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the 737 and 737 Max, yet there hasn't been a single major accident like this and the Max crashes in the US. Are these planes not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes as much as in the US?
> there hasn't been a single major accident like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 > American Airlines Flight 191 crashed shortly after lifting off the runway at Chicago O'Hare Airport [...] The accident was attributed to improper maintenance procedures. The crash resulted in the deaths of all 271 passengers and crew on board, as well as two people on the ground. https://en.wikipedia.org…
The first was in 1979, back when planes crashed left and right everywhere.
The second, in 2001, remains the last major accident in the US.
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#523Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the 737 and 737 Max, yet there hasn't been a single major accident like this and the Max crashes in the US. Are these planes not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes as much as in the US?
You are comparing the US pop 350m (?) to rest of the world pop 8850m. Sure planes per capita are higher in US but it's an unfair comparison.
Not to say there isn't something there to dive into with data and some countries are safer than others to fly. And definitely some airlines than others.
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#524Earlier quoted context omitted.
My girlfriend says she doesn't trust the media, but she has to follow it to know what they're lying to us about. I've pointed out that the problem goes deeper than just whether they tell truth or lies. They don't just tell you what to think; they tell you what you're even supposed to be thinking about, and by omission what you shouldn't be thinking about. You can take the opposite position on every issue to the one t…
She definitely has a point here. The problem is that a democracy kind of needs the media and a public discussion. How do you decide to vote if you completey go out of the loop?
> How do you decide to vote if you completey go out of the loop?
I tend to stay pretty well informed without watching cable news or constantly reading political gossip on social media. When I hear things like "the Supreme Court issued an opinion today..." I go read the opinion. When I hear "Trump signed an executive order saying..." I go read the executive order. When I'm talking with people about inflation, I go look up the BLS data among other things. If people are talking about what's actually happening on the ground some place, I will end up having to find some reports reporting things and ultimately have to weigh the fact they're choosing where to point their cameras to my understanding of what is actually true.
Some of these things are hard, like the "big beautiful bill" is 1,116 pages long. I'll jump to the things people around me are talking about, like work requirements for Medicaid and SNAP, and read those sections. I might go look up some direct commentary from trusted sources about it for deeper analysis, and probably try and find some real statistics to compare.
We have so much actual real data and original sources to go read, I don't need someone else to tell me what they think of it for me to have an opinion.
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#525Earlier quoted context omitted.
"No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc." No. No no no. This is wrong, mistaken thinking. A minimum standard of operations and attention to detail must be adhered to for high consequence / life critical endeavors and that behavior (culture?) must be enforced at all levels throughout the operation . Ignore this heuristic at your peril - as either a consumer of…
Sure, nice brown M&Ms type relation. But I've encountered entertainment systems failures on Virgin, Emirates, Qatar and they're all among the safest airlines according to this https://airlinelist.com/
The M&Ms were for cases where the show was likely to be considerably more demanding than what the venue normally handled, and they needed to make sure that the people running the place actually stepped up for it.
The organizations doing aircraft maintenance are always handling life-critical stuff. You don’t need a weird test to see if they’re paying attention.
It’s not like this stuff is just decided ad hoc and planes fly with broken IFE equipment because of bad culture. This stuff is worked out by engineers and regulators. There’s a list of stuff that needs to be working for the plane to be allowed to take off. If something on that list isn’t working, you don’t fly, even though the plane may be perfectly capable of it. And I guarantee the IFE equipment isn’t on that list.
Frequently broken passenger amenities indicate bad customer service but it doesn’t reflect on safety.
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#526Earlier quoted context omitted.
No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc.
"No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc." No. No no no. This is wrong, mistaken thinking. A minimum standard of operations and attention to detail must be adhered to for high consequence / life critical endeavors and that behavior (culture?) must be enforced at all levels throughout the operation . Ignore this heuristic at your peril - as either a consumer of…
It’s wildly unrealistic to expect maintenance to fix 100.0% of issues, and to fix them immediately at that. There’s a balance to be struck with on-time performance that will naturally prioritize safety critical maintenance while postponing cosmetic repairs until they can be performed without schedule pressure.
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#527Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Latin America doesn't have as much high end aviation What are you talking about? > I assure you, I hate people far more based on the contents of their mind than the color of their skin. You're fooling yourself here. Your absurd (and factually incorrect) assumptions about whole regions is textbook racism.
>What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Like FFS, seriously. Look at the population numbers. Look at the number of arrivals and departures of the kind of large "international newsworthy when they crash" aircraft. There is simply less chance one falls out of the sky in LatAm because there's many fewer of them in the sky to begin with. >You're fooling yourself here. Your absurd (and factually incorrect…
> You are projecting your own judgements into my words.
No, I'm reading your words as you write them.
Deciding that Ahmedabad is "right on the edge" of the "the equatorial old world" is racist unto itself. It shows staggering geographic and cultural ignorance.
Some self-reflection is in order, because if you speak like this in real life, people may not call you out directly but everyone will think less of you.
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#530CCTV capture of complete takeoff: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1933165937399648447
There is a lot of dust at the 20s mark, I’d assume that there shouldn’t be dust on normal takeoffs at busy airports.
It’s possible they had to use part of the runway that most other takeoffs don’t need to extend to. Just pure speculation.