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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by foldr »

Arch-TK wrote: post #470
chinathrow wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a video circulating that the air con was off on the previous flight - that might indicate why the APU was off for the crash flight as well.

Air conditioning is powered by bleed air from the engines (or the APU or a ground source). The APU wouldn't be running during any normal flight, it's normally only ever used on the ground when the engines are off and there's no external power source. So I am not sure what you are trying to say here, sorry.

The 787 doesn’t use bleed air to power anything.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #107

There is a person on X who says he has left the plane before takeoff and has uploaded videos of non-functional entertainment panels: https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455

Normal for Air India and not relevant to the accident. Tata has been trying to resolve the previous owners poor management of the airline.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

aurizon wrote: post #396

A sad case. Once they find the data boxes and inspect the data and voice records of the crew they might arrive at an answer. Unlike the USA, India as well as China prioritise political aspects above facts. This leads to the danger of hidden facts that show any officer is at fault. They also have a rigid hierarchy so if a senior officer makes an error, a junior officer dares not correct him and cause the senior to los…

India has an aviation safety record the past 20 years nearly as good as USAs. Your comment isn’t helpful.

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Post by roncesvalles »

storus wrote: post #333
msravi wrote: post #255

Apparently, there's a survivor. https://x.com/sidhant/status/1933160167816007842

Seat 11A. That's interesting, typically most survivors are located in the back, this one was in the front-center.

Someone on the r/aviation thread speculated 11A would be right above the gear assembly and is hardened.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

6LLvveMx2koXfwn wrote: post #489
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you're only getting things important to viewership. Nobody's putting an economically critical trade deal on all the channels, or a genocide in Yemen. But Princess Diana dying, that's gonna get coverage.

Especially as she's supposed to have died 28 years ago.

> Especially as she's supposed to have died 28 years ago

If you don’t watch television news, flipping through the channels can be genuinely surprising. Because if it’s Princess Diana’s birthday, I almost guarantee one of them will be running a retrospective segment.

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Post by renewiltord »

rsync wrote: post #463
chromehearts wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc.

"No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc." No. No no no. This is wrong, mistaken thinking. A minimum standard of operations and attention to detail must be adhered to for high consequence / life critical endeavors and that behavior (culture?) must be enforced at all levels throughout the operation . Ignore this heuristic at your peril - as either a consumer of…

Sure, nice brown M&Ms type relation. But I've encountered entertainment systems failures on Virgin, Emirates, Qatar and they're all among the safest airlines according to this https://airlinelist.com/

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Post by know-how »

SecretDreams wrote: post #110
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25

Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

There's footage after takeoff of it descending with the air ram deployed, no engine power, gears down, and flaps up. TBD on the cause, but loss of engines for some reason seems to be the case. I do agree that a lot of info comes out first week that isn't all right. I'm just reciting what's been shown in videos.

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Post by know-how »

cschmatzler wrote: post #247
CPLX wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link to that footage? I've seen speculation on this from very blurry video but nothing like proof. On the professional pilot forums the consensus guess is inadvertent flap retraction, instead of gear retraction, leading to inability to climb.

A 787 can still climb with flaps up and two healthy engines. In the video that was posted everywhere, you can CLEARLY hear the RAT spin, which gets deployed automatically when both engines go out.

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Post by roncesvalles »

snickerbockers wrote: post #93
m4tthumphrey wrote: post #2

Seems like they lost power? https://x.com/georgiameloniii/status/1933091545248641248

jesus, that's terrifying. The pilot has control of the plane all the way down but nowhere to even attempt a landing. All he can do is raise the flaps, deploy the landing gear and hope for the best. Although TBH it also seems like a failure of city planning, aren't most major airports outside of the limits of the city they're associated with because of stuff like this? I know most of them don't have anywhere safe to a…

Most major airports were established long ago (sometimes centuries ago) in land that used to be remote. Cities eventually expand into the surrounding area.

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Post by impulser_ »

Why is it always foreign airlines that crash?

The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the 737 and 737 Max, yet there hasn't been a single major accident like this and the Max crashes in the US.

Are these planes not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes as much as in the US?

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