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Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by dachris »

energywut wrote: post #17

We're so fucked, as a species. People are already way too easy to get to believe conspiracy theories. Shit like Pizzagate or whatever is only going to get more common when bad people start making, "and look, here's the video proof!" And we've already got Tiktok and Youtube Shorts just pumping the dopamine centers in the brain for short form content. Generating shit you like dynamically is going to be an addictive nig…

Yes, perfect AI content has multiple issues, that need to be addressed differently

- treating certain content in the same way that drugs are treated. Lots of countries are already moving towards age restrictions for social media.

- some kind of hardware-provided signatures for images and video, anything else must be assumed to be generated

Will be interesting for kids growing up - the peer pressure is now already very high to have smartphones, to be on Whatsapp, Instagram, TikTok, this will only get worse.

Maybe if I have kids I will found some Amish-like community with only 90's tech (only half joking).

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by echelon »

pointlessone wrote: post #11

Some of the shots are impressive but… Even among these hand-picked examples there’s a plenty of unnatural movement. And it seems like it was trained on the most hyperactive subset of tiktok as it apparently can’t hold a scene for more than 5 seconds.

ByteDance has been testing their model on the Model Arena for weeks. They were covertly calling their model "Unicorn" until just a few days ago.

It's already ranking better than Google Veo 3:

https://artificialanalysis.ai/text-to-video/arena?tab=leader...

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by echelon »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #14

Decent 1080p quality. Not bluray level, but getting close. Definitely ahead of every other video generator. Video production just got a lot cheaper and requires very few skills. This is basically destroying the creative video production industry (ads, product videography, youtube content of all kinds) and probably VFX industry as well.

It's beating Google Veo 3 in the model arena:

https://artificialanalysis.ai/text-to-video/arena?tab=leader...

They've been running tests for weeks under the covert name "Unicorn" and just renamed the model to Seedance a few days ago.

edit: I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted for this, except perhaps not liking the ByteDance angle.

China produces incredibly good video models and have been in the market lead for at least a year now. All of the top video models, save for Veo 3, are from China.

In fact, the only open source video models of note are all non-American (mostly Chinese, and one Israeli model).

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by echelon »

Permik wrote: post #13

Only light skinned people on the video examples. Ethnic diversity and accuracy used to be a problem with the models of the past. I wonder how the model would excel at prompts grokking at that.

This model is from China. It isn't even being made available internationally (yet).

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by Leary »

Permik wrote: post #13

Only light skinned people on the video examples. Ethnic diversity and accuracy used to be a problem with the models of the past. I wonder how the model would excel at prompts grokking at that.

0:10 into the video, that's light skinned to you?!

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by Intralexical »

thebestmoshe wrote: post #5

The future is something like the TikTok algorithm, but generated on the fly. As you scroll, it learns what you like and generates more videos.

I think this is an unfortunate misunderstanding of why people like and use social media.

ChatGPT can already generate endless "comments". And yet you're here.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by bytesandbots »

Has the realism of AI already caught on to that of animated CGI movies?

I assume that an expert in CGI can point out obvious flaws in these outputs. But I wonder if it is possible to fix those details by prompting it to change only specific segments.

There is also the question of how much compute/money they are spending per second of output, compared to a high-budget Hollywood CGI.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by Intralexical »

energywut wrote: post #17

We're so fucked, as a species. People are already way too easy to get to believe conspiracy theories. Shit like Pizzagate or whatever is only going to get more common when bad people start making, "and look, here's the video proof!" And we've already got Tiktok and Youtube Shorts just pumping the dopamine centers in the brain for short form content. Generating shit you like dynamically is going to be an addictive nig…

We've basically flooded the information space with r-strategists.

In evolution, rapid reproduction gives an advantage to spamming low-quality offspring [1], and rapid selection without agglomeration [2,3] incentivizes antisocial behavior.

Ideas spread, mutate, and evolve just like animals [4]. So when the Internet made it free for anyone to transmit information to millions of people instantly, trustworthy information sources [5] and prosocial cultural values started dying [6], as literally the worst and craziest people become dominant [7,8,9,10,11].

...Presumably "AI" is going to make this even worse, and immeasurably so.

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1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

2. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_collapse

4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics

5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_newspapers

6. https://theweek.com/culture-life/third-places-disappearing

7. https://globalnews.ca/news/1157137/internet-trolls-are-sadis...

8. https://www.engadget.com/2018-03-19-study-shows-distribution...

9. https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most...

10. https://www.ipr.northwestern.edu/news/2023/why-are-online-po...

11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by pphysch »

Intralexical wrote: post #26
thebestmoshe wrote: post #5

The future is something like the TikTok algorithm, but generated on the fly. As you scroll, it learns what you like and generates more videos.

I think this is an unfortunate misunderstanding of why people like and use social media. ChatGPT can already generate endless "comments". And yet you're here.

HN users that actively engage with comments are probably 0.0001% of overall social media users

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by esafak »

Intralexical wrote: post #26
thebestmoshe wrote: post #5

The future is something like the TikTok algorithm, but generated on the fly. As you scroll, it learns what you like and generates more videos.

I think this is an unfortunate misunderstanding of why people like and use social media. ChatGPT can already generate endless "comments". And yet you're here.

I agree with you, but the owners and customers of ad-supported communities like Facebook have an incentive to inject clickbait from fake users posing as humans. Facebook is already well along that road, with a captive if aging userbase. Maybe they'd flee if they had an alternative.
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