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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I will reserve my judgement but Boeing can’t catch a break.

Sure they can, they're contracted to design America's next-generation F-47 fighter jet!

And hell, after the sexy beast they call the X-32 I can't see why you wouldn't want their designs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-32

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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post #351

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I really like the Economist as a source of weekly news. Somehow I’ve ended up primarily reading their daily recap in the app. They already have a full article on this crash. That usually means it’ll be in the magazine next week.

The Economist? I just unsubscribed from the digital edition. A neoliberal and globalization bias in overall tone.

They've always been upfront about their bias, in no way are they trying to hide it.

Way back when I was in college 20 years ago they ran a very funny article poking fun at all the PhD's doing "deconstruction" on The Economist. Like super post-modernist fluff. I could tell the writer had a great time responding to it.

Their punchline: "so there you have it - a newspaper to make you feel good about tomorrow by promoting capitalism today!"

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#394
post #221

I'm intently following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_171 Any discussion about causes is going to be pure speculation right now. It's too early. But the Wiki article is pretty good to get an overview. Some interesting discussion on its talk page too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Air_India_Flight_171

Wikipedia is far from perfect, but in situations like this it is kind of incredible how well it can work

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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It's also possible to just not read news altogether.

I don't recommend this; instead, I recommend reading factual reporting, not 'analysis' which often comes with inherent political bent/bias.

Even that isn't enough. Much of the bias nowadays comes in which specific facts and events you report, and which you ignore.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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A sad case. Once they find the data boxes and inspect the data and voice records of the crew they might arrive at an answer. Unlike the USA, India as well as China prioritise political aspects above facts. This leads to the danger of hidden facts that show any officer is at fault. They also have a rigid hierarchy so if a senior officer makes an error, a junior officer dares not correct him and cause the senior to lose 'face'. This has caused plane crashes in India/China in the past.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#397
post #280

CCTV capture of complete takeoff: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1933165937399648447

I'm told not to speculate, but I'm going to do it anyway because this video clearly shows there was an issue going to full thrust. It's an extremely rare dual engine failure or pilots' error not calling up full thrust to keep it flying. Very possible this is the famous bird strike issue Capt. Sullenburger experienced in 2009.

But doesn't seem like a bird strike issue here, right? And given the rarity of a dual engine failure, seems to point to not calling up full thrust? But seems to me that this kind of error would be more common without any technical safeguards?

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post #333

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Seat 11A. That's interesting, typically most survivors are located in the back, this one was in the front-center.

11A was next to the emergency exit. There was a comment on Reddit suggesting he actually bailed just before impact.

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post #130

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I guess it’s kind of surprising in a relatively new plane, but I encounter non functional entertainment systems relatively often. They’re not treated like the safety critical systems by any airline

I thought the same but he implies that the screens were not the only tech not working (AC, seats damaged). It is quite an intuition to decide to leave a plane in such a moment. He just escaped death and is now aggressively attacked for saying something potentially relevant.

He did not leave the plane, he said he was on the previous flight from Delhi to Ahmedabad, before the plane then went on to do the Ahmedabad - London flight when it crashed. You can see his flight ticket in the tweet.

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She definitely has a point here. The problem is that a democracy kind of needs the media and a public discussion. How do you decide to vote if you completey go out of the loop?

That's the funny thing, I'm not out of the loop. When friends bring up current issues that matter, I'm generally better informed than they are, but I'm clueless if they bring up the latest controversial TV show or whatever is today's outrage narrative that will be replaced by the next outrage narrative tomorrow. It turns out that by letting the people around me sort of curate the "news," and reading thinkers who writ…

Which thinkers do you read?
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