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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by ant6n »

nindalf wrote: post #205
blitzar wrote: post #102

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Pro tip from a lifelong life enthusiast: if its breaking news, wait one week - first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive. Flick through last weeks newspaper if you need reassurance.

Pro tip from an absolute rando: don’t bother with any source of breaking news. Read a weekly paper that summarises the important stuff. If something is truly pressing, you’ll hear about it from friends or coworkers.

The problem is, they often assume you already read the news and don’t say what happen just provide the analysis without context.

Heck, Spiegel does that with news on the same day. You get some background article without starting with the facts of what happened, as if everybody reads the news every two hours.

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Post by ijidak »

andrepd wrote: post #353
nindalf wrote: post #306

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Economist for me. I don't know of any other sources that can reach the same level.

Well you're missing out and stunting your own worldview if you stick to only one source of information (regardless of which it is).

What do you read? I’m an economist reader too for weekly news.

Would love other sources, but it’s hard to find anything with similar depth and a similar lack of sensational-ization found in most news.

Edit: Oh, and global reach. The economist covers earth in almost equal detail for every region. Not quite equal of course, but darn close compared to most outlets.

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Post by kanbankaren »

Swizec wrote: post #351
LostMyLogin wrote: post #294

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Suggestions for some sources to read? I know the Economist, anything else others would recommend?

I really like the Economist as a source of weekly news. Somehow I’ve ended up primarily reading their daily recap in the app. They already have a full article on this crash. That usually means it’ll be in the magazine next week.

The Economist?

I just unsubscribed from the digital edition. A neoliberal and globalization bias in overall tone.

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Post by wat10000 »

jordanb wrote: post #126
bartread wrote: post #108

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I haven't by any means been keeping count but it does feel like there have been a lot more incidents that usual this year, and certainly a lot more fatalities. What I can't work out whether that's recency bias, or because I've been watching a lot of MentourPilot with our daughters so I'm simply more attuned to this kind of news, or if there really are more of them. I certainly don't know if the rate of incidents per…

Probably chickens coming home to roost on the 2000s-era "flying is ultra-safe now, time to deregulate, disinvest, and capture value from efficiencies"

DCA was good old-fashioned complacency and normalization of deviance. Aside from that, this year has been unremarkable in aviation safety.

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Post by nindalf »

ant6n wrote: post #361
nindalf wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro tip from an absolute rando: don’t bother with any source of breaking news. Read a weekly paper that summarises the important stuff. If something is truly pressing, you’ll hear about it from friends or coworkers.

The problem is, they often assume you already read the news and don’t say what happen just provide the analysis without context. Heck, Spiegel does that with news on the same day. You get some background article without starting with the facts of what happened, as if everybody reads the news every two hours.

This is why I like the Economist. They don't assume the reader has background knowledge.

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Post by basisword »

baq wrote: post #20
greybox wrote: post #10

Some news outlets are indicating that there are some survivors: https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/air-india-dreamliner-cras... > Several injured passengers have been evacuated from the scene and transported to local hospitals. Edit: The BBC is reporting local police as saying: "There appears to be no survivors" https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t?post=asset%3A8731...

You ain’t walking away from a fully fueled aircraft crashing unfortunately…

This guy did: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3v6drp96zo

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Post by ho_schi »

fredoralive wrote: post #127
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #63

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I was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure. One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle bac…

In the 1980s a British Airways 747 flew through volcanic ash and lost all four engines. So just having more engines may not always be the solution, as in suitably unlikely circumstances you can still lose all of them. (In that case they were at cruising altitude, so had time to handle the situation and relight the engines).

It depends on the situation. Redundancy and additional power increase margins. More for the sake of more isn't necessary helping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ewa7R20MA

Lufthansa 747-8 after engine failure:

   *We're not an emergency.*
It depends on what is causing the failure and how situation evolves. Let us take British Airways Flight 009 as example, the wiki says that all engines failed, all engines were restarted and engine number 2 surged again and was finally shut down. So even this awkward situation was relaxed a bit by the additional safety margin.

Most airlines avoid nowadays the invest into maintenance of four engines airliners. Others have prefer the additional transport capacity and margins. Lufthansa has it's own maintenance branch "Lufthansa Technik" and doesn't need to handle extra costs. Emirates needs the huge capacities of the A380.

PS: The 747 can and does - if necessary - ferry flights without passengers and only three engines. Not possible with twin engine planes.

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Post by wat10000 »

brunohaid wrote: post #246
epolanski wrote: post #235

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> gear out That is normal and standard procedure if you're having issues lifting the plane, because retracting the gear means _increasing_ drag for a crucial 10/15 seconds as the doors open and thus slowing the plane further. > but no flaps and no control inputs visible Standard Dreamliner operating procedure, you take off at flaps 10 or 5, they are barely visible from the outside, see many random videos of 787s take…

True on both counts, was a quite early comment and initially thought they're coming back in to land vs barely having taken off. Only leaves control inputs but given how short the video is it could also be that there simply wasn't much to input/correct anymore despite the slight rocking. Can't edit anymore, but the general gist of catastrophic failure needed to prevent a 787 from climbing out of this situation still h…

I don't think you'd expect any control inputs in that scenario. They were level with a reasonable pitch angle. Aircraft attitude was fine, they just didn't have enough power to arrest the descent. Such a loss of power with a full load of fuel definitely indicates a swift catastrophic failure to the engines at least.

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Post by bigbuppo »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #293
ChrisGreenHeur wrote: post #187

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It's also possible to just not read news altogether.

Totally agreed. I stopped reading/watching/listening to the news about 2 years ago and I am blissfully unaware of what is going on in the world. I read hacker news every once in a while and even comment on some of the stories shown here but I select very strictly the topics I interact with. News organizations these days are all pushing an agenda. Whether it is pro [insert-topic-of-choice-here] or against [insert-topi…

The concept of unbiased news is a very recent invention. Before that all news was partisan.

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Post by aaronbaugher »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #332
aaronbaugher wrote: post #315

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My girlfriend says she doesn't trust the media, but she has to follow it to know what they're lying to us about. I've pointed out that the problem goes deeper than just whether they tell truth or lies. They don't just tell you what to think; they tell you what you're even supposed to be thinking about, and by omission what you shouldn't be thinking about. You can take the opposite position on every issue to the one t…

She definitely has a point here. The problem is that a democracy kind of needs the media and a public discussion. How do you decide to vote if you completey go out of the loop?

That's the funny thing, I'm not out of the loop. When friends bring up current issues that matter, I'm generally better informed than they are, but I'm clueless if they bring up the latest controversial TV show or whatever is today's outrage narrative that will be replaced by the next outrage narrative tomorrow.

It turns out that by letting the people around me sort of curate the "news," and reading thinkers who write about bigger topics rather than what's in the headlines, I wind up with a pretty good filtered news feed.

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