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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I'm intently following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_171

Any discussion about causes is going to be pure speculation right now. It's too early. But the Wiki article is pretty good to get an overview. Some interesting discussion on its talk page too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Air_India_Flight_171

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Pro tip from a lifelong life enthusiast: if its breaking news, wait one week - first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive. Flick through last weeks newspaper if you need reassurance.

It's also possible to just not read news altogether.

Good way to cure a news addiction: Read news from years ago, see how much of it was actually accurate and meaningful in retrospect.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Good question. False sense of routine, experience? Definitely a pet peeve. Was flying as a passenger on a really small airline (8 seater plane, Green Air) out of San Jose in Costa Rica. We got cleared for takeoff ahead of a United 737, at most 500 feet into the humongous runway for that plane. Yet the pilots still put in the 2 minute effort to taxi back to the beginning of the runway, even though they could have easi…

If something large had just taken off ahead of you, it was probably not safe to go anyway. Wake turbulence can kill you. If you need to wait 2 minutes, why not back taxi? It'll feel like doing something vs nothing and you get the extra extra runway.

We took off ahead of them.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Yeah, I think I might wait for the MentourPilot take on this one. I can't see any benefit in speculating. Horrifying that it came down in a residential area with almost all its fuel still on board though. The aftermath is beyond belief.

I know it's not his fault, hate the player not the game, but he will make what off this crash (and his analysis ofc)? $10k? I remember long ago he said he would not report on crashes but that's what people want so no blame..

You're upset that he's benefiting by providing an expert perspective on a topic you're interested in?

Boy, you must be upset about pretty much everything on the internet. Except for hn. Paul Graham just runs this site out of his own benevolence, nothing else.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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It's also possible to just not read news altogether.

Good way to cure a news addiction: Read news from years ago, see how much of it was actually accurate and meaningful in retrospect.

Yes, I remember scrolling through an archive of Newsweek covers over the years, and realizing how much of it was just pure hype or inconsequential.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Like the b 52 bomber. I always liked them. We could convert them for passenger flights. Airlines could develop luggage pods that hang from the wings and the planes support mid air refuelling so that could help with turnarounds. They also have tail guns for even more safety. Also huge bay doors which will make getting on and off the plane much faster.

Make the cabin a cartridge that clicks into the bottom. Give the cabin wheels and propulsion.

Thunderbird 2 was always the best one. Even if those stubby forward-swept wings don't really seem like what you need for the normal mission profiles!

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Pro tip from a lifelong life enthusiast: if its breaking news, wait one week - first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive. Flick through last weeks newspaper if you need reassurance.

It's also possible to just not read news altogether.

I don't recommend this; instead, I recommend reading factual reporting, not 'analysis' which often comes with inherent political bent/bias.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure. One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle bac…

I don't think there's ever been a double-bird-strike incident, though. And what dual engine failures I can think of are due to failure of a shared system (e.g. fuel exhaustion, c.f. Gimli Glider). [Edit: yeah, yeah, forgot the Tom Hanks movie, sue me. I do wish folks would respond to the much more important point below, which isn't invalidated by a single data point though.] Constructing solutions for multiple-mode f…

The Jeju Air crash from late 2024 (still under investigation) also had birds go in both engines.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I haven't by any means been keeping count but it does feel like there have been a lot more incidents that usual this year, and certainly a lot more fatalities. What I can't work out whether that's recency bias, or because I've been watching a lot of MentourPilot with our daughters so I'm simply more attuned to this kind of news, or if there really are more of them. I certainly don't know if the rate of incidents per…

No, it's not worse. If you look through the list of deadly plane accidents, the last year has been average (4 vs. 3 avg). Since the deadly DCA collision in January, there are things making the news now that would never have in the past, so it seems like it's worse. Especially if the plane has "Boeing" written on the side. For example, hitting animals, tire blowouts, or ground equipment bumping into planes, which grou…

Maybe globally it's an average year but the DCA crash alone makes it an extraordinary year in US commercial aviation.

Not all crashes are created equal. A 10 person Cessna disappearing near Nome, Alaska !== mid-air collision above the Potomac.

If you're looking at US news sources, I don't think you need to resort to clickbait and fearmongering to justify the increased focus.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I haven't by any means been keeping count but it does feel like there have been a lot more incidents that usual this year, and certainly a lot more fatalities. What I can't work out whether that's recency bias, or because I've been watching a lot of MentourPilot with our daughters so I'm simply more attuned to this kind of news, or if there really are more of them. I certainly don't know if the rate of incidents per…

Probably chickens coming home to roost on the 2000s-era "flying is ultra-safe now, time to deregulate, disinvest, and capture value from efficiencies"

Deregulation has been a thing for 40-50 years
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