Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes.
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The last nine comments in this thread have had nothing to do with a plane crash; and entirely about a meta-discussion about a comment someone else made.
Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard
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#172There is a person on X who says he has left the plane before takeoff and has uploaded videos of non-functional entertainment panels: https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455
No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc.
They could both point to poor maintenance by the airline
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#173Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.
There's footage after takeoff of it descending with the air ram deployed, no engine power, gears down, and flaps up. TBD on the cause, but loss of engines for some reason seems to be the case. I do agree that a lot of info comes out first week that isn't all right. I'm just reciting what's been shown in videos.
Both slats and flaps were on maximum during the entire flight.
Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard
#174This is the 4th within less than a year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_aircraft_acc...
And there were 7 in one year during 2018 and 2019. Looking through the chart you linked, averages around 3 per year. Considering how many planes are currently in the sky at this very moment, this is a wildly useless statistic used to cause fear and panic.
We're on 4, and only halfway through the year.
We're on track to exceed 7.
Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard
#175There is a person on X who says he has left the plane before takeoff and has uploaded videos of non-functional entertainment panels: https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455
No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc.
Sure. But it could imply a lack of maintenance.
Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's footage after takeoff of it descending with the air ram deployed, no engine power, gears down, and flaps up. TBD on the cause, but loss of engines for some reason seems to be the case. I do agree that a lot of info comes out first week that isn't all right. I'm just reciting what's been shown in videos.
Well, loss of engine power and gliding to a stop is not that a far fetched case. Why is there not a fuel dump button to prevent a whole trips worth of fuel going up in flames?
Most airplanes can dump fuel, but it's not an immediate thing, so not really applicable here (and obviously doing it over a city is to be avoided as well).
It's primarily needed for weight management in planes that can take off heavier than they can safely land. I.e. if the plane had enough control to abort the flight and return to the airport, then it might have been appropriate.
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#179Baffling tragedy, again. Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back. The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but…
Regarding the intersection takeoff, Flightradar24 just tweeted this: > We are continuing to process data from receiver sources individually. Additional processing confirms #AI171 departed using the full length of Runway 23 at Ahmedabad. RWY 23 is 11,499 feet long. The aircraft backtracked to the end of the runway before beginning its take off roll. https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1933138841214611760
FR24 is also on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/flightradar24.com/post/3lrfwaqs2ls2...
Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard
#180There is a person on X who says he has left the plane before takeoff and has uploaded videos of non-functional entertainment panels: https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455
No correlation between non-functional displays on passenger seats & possible engine failures etc.
I mean technically there is a correlation, it’s just very unlikely to imply causation.