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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#91

Seems like they lost power? https://x.com/georgiameloniii/status/1933091545248641248

Going OT: why a parody account of Italian PM is tweeting a video about an airplane accident in India? Really weird

People always tweet trending stuff for popularity as simple as that

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#92

FlightRadar24 shows them doing an intersection departure with only half the runway. Assuming this is accurate I would think this is a terrible idea in a large, heavy aircraft (and I realize they might not have been heavy for this flight). When I was flying I would regularly hear airliners refuse intersection departures past a few hundred feet from the end of the runway due to company SOPs. https://www.flightradar24.c…

Baseless speculation and very unproductive comment. At least show some takeoff calculations and perhaps don't speculate with confirmed unreliable ADS-B data

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#93

Seems like they lost power? https://x.com/georgiameloniii/status/1933091545248641248

jesus, that's terrifying. The pilot has control of the plane all the way down but nowhere to even attempt a landing. All he can do is raise the flaps, deploy the landing gear and hope for the best.

Although TBH it also seems like a failure of city planning, aren't most major airports outside of the limits of the city they're associated with because of stuff like this? I know most of them don't have anywhere safe to attempt an emergency landing immediately after leaving the runway but at least there aren't a bunch of homes and office buildings.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#94
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure. One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle bac…

I don't think there's ever been a double-bird-strike incident, though. And what dual engine failures I can think of are due to failure of a shared system (e.g. fuel exhaustion, c.f. Gimli Glider). [Edit: yeah, yeah, forgot the Tom Hanks movie, sue me. I do wish folks would respond to the much more important point below, which isn't invalidated by a single data point though.] Constructing solutions for multiple-mode f…

> I don't think there's ever been a double-bird-strike incident, though.

The most well known double-bird-strike incident is probably the one where Sully landed a plane on the Hudson River.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549#Takeoff...

-edit: ok, everyone had the same thought, haha -

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#95

Seems like they lost power? https://x.com/georgiameloniii/status/1933091545248641248

Going OT: why a parody account of Italian PM is tweeting a video about an airplane accident in India? Really weird

Sometimes it's hard to tell the truth about what obviously just happened so all you can bear to do is say something unreasonably optimistic.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#96
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An intersection takeoff is a takeoff where you do not use the full length of the runway. When you are a large aeroplane with a full load, reaching the necessary takeoff speeds required to rotate (pull up and begin lifting from the ground) can take longer than normal, at which point the climb speed will also be reduced if not properly compensated for (e.g. you miscalculate something and set the wrong elevator trim/tak…

Why is it a thing? Everything else in aviation seems to have good amounts of checks, balances and buffers. It feels the same to me as skimping a couple percent on fuel or doing less frequent maintenance. Both also reduce turnaround time.

Usually some form of mis-management which in this case may have put pressure on the pilot to accept a shorter take-off option due to some minutes of time saved. Sometimes pilots also might get their priorities wrong. There's a concept of "get-there-itis" which is also a common cause of crashes but it's currently unclear if it was a factor in this case.

I imagine in a while we will all be able to read the investigation reports, since the aircraft crashed shortly after take-off the black box recorder should contain all the information we need to figure out most of what happened including possibly the reasoning for the decision to make an intersection takeoff.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#97
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure. One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle bac…

I don't think there's ever been a double-bird-strike incident, though. And what dual engine failures I can think of are due to failure of a shared system (e.g. fuel exhaustion, c.f. Gimli Glider). [Edit: yeah, yeah, forgot the Tom Hanks movie, sue me. I do wish folks would respond to the much more important point below, which isn't invalidated by a single data point though.] Constructing solutions for multiple-mode f…

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#98
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going OT: why a parody account of Italian PM is tweeting a video about an airplane accident in India? Really weird

People always tweet trending stuff for popularity as simple as that

But this seems a "first hand" content, not a retweet.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#99

Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

I was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure. One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle bac…

Your comment does not deserve to be downvoted, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

#100

Flight Crew Sumeet Sabharwal – Captain - 8800+ flying hours Clive Kunder – First Officer 1 - 1100+ flying hours Cabin Crew Aparna Mahadik – Cabin Executive-1 Shradha Dhavan – Cabin Executive-2 Deepak Pathak Irfan Shaikh Lamnunthem Singson Maithili Patil Manisha Thapa This was crew of AI171. Next time you're on a flight please take a moment to thank the pilots, CISF staff and cabin crew for all they do to keep us safe…

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