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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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That’s utter nonsense. How would that even work? Does gravity act differently in the “equatorial old world”?

I think he's implying that countries near the equator are underdeveloped and thus the crash could have been caused by human factors (such as negligence)

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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I don’t know why people are always so quick to say whistleblowers are being purposely murdered. At any rate we need to wait to understand the details of this crash, so far sounding like engine failure possibly due to bird strikes.

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

I was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure.

One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle back around.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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A pilot speculated that it looks like a multiple bird strike.

Why no control inputs then? Surely, the plane could still be commanded in absence of engine power.

The engines power the hydraulic actuators in an aircraft an aircraft of that size cannot be trivially controlled without that hydraulic system. The APU should have been started to provide backup power in the case of engine failure but during take-off there is already very little time to do anything and it's possible that the sudden workload overloaded both the pilot and copilot or some other human factors were involved.

That being said, in the video I saw, the aircraft was already going too slow to realistically recover. And all you would get at that point is just an extended duration of glide which at best would let you find a less populated area to crash into.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Going OT: why a parody account of Italian PM is tweeting a video about an airplane accident in India? Really weird

The account is run from India.

That raises even more questions.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

I hate so much how whenever something bad happens there's a huge rush to come up with theories that place the blame on some group or ideology you already hated for unrelated reasons. I've stopped paying attention to the news in part because I don't like how disingenuously giddy people get whenever there's a mass-casualty event. I don't even mind morbid curiosity about death and suffering but nobody should ever see it…

Yeah.

But jumping to conclusions serves a variety of human emotional needs. And in an attention economy, that means it also serves a large industry's economic needs.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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That’s utter nonsense. How would that even work? Does gravity act differently in the “equatorial old world”?

The previous poster could have worded their comment much better, but shoddy maintenance, dodgy fuel etc absolutely are a real issue in developing countries.

Air India has a reasonable safety record, but in most all other aspects they're widely recognized as being a shambles.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Flight Crew

Sumeet Sabharwal – Captain - 8800+ flying hours Clive Kunder – First Officer 1 - 1100+ flying hours

Cabin Crew

Aparna Mahadik – Cabin Executive-1 Shradha Dhavan – Cabin Executive-2 Deepak Pathak Irfan Shaikh Lamnunthem Singson Maithili Patil Manisha Thapa

This was crew of AI171. Next time you're on a flight please take a moment to thank the pilots, CISF staff and cabin crew for all they do to keep us safe.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Gentle tip from a lifelong aviation enthusiast: wait one week before reading on causation. Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.

I was just watching something the other day about how jet engines have gotten more efficient and powerful over the last 50 years where commercial airliners really only need 2 engines. All 2 engine aircraft also have to be able to operate on 1 engine as well if there is a failure. One has to wonder if this was a bird strike incident on both engines that maybe having 4 engines would have allowed the plane to circle bac…

Why would a flock of birds large enough to be ingested by both engines of a two-engined plane not also be large enough to be ingested by all four engines of a four-engined plane?

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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post #55

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That’s utter nonsense. How would that even work? Does gravity act differently in the “equatorial old world”?

I think he's implying that countries near the equator are underdeveloped and thus the crash could have been caused by human factors (such as negligence)

As opposed to the predictable accidents of the Amazon and Guyanan basins?

Apart from the casual racism of lumping together areas of three continents in your generalisation, it was lazy racism as at 23 degrees North, Ahmedabad is close in latitude to Florida and far outside the 5-10 degree equitorial zone.

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