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Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by ihuk »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #16
ihuk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a better, longer video on Reddit. At the beginning of the video, it sounds like the Ram Air Turbine (RAT) is deployed, which would suggest a dual engine failure.

Dual engine failure with a stall right at the end as it's going in. Guessing it's either a foreign object ingested into both engines, probably a bird strike, or fuel starvation.

Here's a Reddit video: https://www.reddit.com/r/ahmedabad/comments/1l9i1ga/om_shant...

And here's a YouTube video showing a Ram Air Turbine (RAT) being deployed on a 787 for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFBCGf50Trc&t=69s

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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brunohaid wrote: post #28

Baffling tragedy, again. Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back. The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but…

A pilot speculated that it looks like a multiple bird strike.

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Post by acd10j »

decimalenough wrote: post #19
calcifer wrote: post #15

Remember last year when a Boeing engineer whistleblower urged the company to ground all 787 Dreamliners? [1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whis...

I'm not a fan of Boeing, but let's not start pointing fingers yet. We know literally nothing about what caused the accident yet, and the 787 Dreamliner has a stellar record: it's been flying since 2011, with over 1000 in service, and I believe this is its first ever major accident.

737 Max also had stellar records and then they started crashing one after other. Boeing has earned this reputation. Also as per information from twitter pilot did called mayday immediately after takeoff, so high chance of technical issues in aircraft.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by greybox »

brunohaid wrote: post #28

Baffling tragedy, again. Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back. The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but…

What do you mean by "(and terrible practice)"?

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by segfaultex »

calcifer wrote: post #21
decimalenough wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of Boeing, but let's not start pointing fingers yet. We know literally nothing about what caused the accident yet, and the 787 Dreamliner has a stellar record: it's been flying since 2011, with over 1000 in service, and I believe this is its first ever major accident.

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You've stated a fact in such a way that the audience is intended to draw a very specific conclusion.

Re: Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more than 240 onboard

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Post by xattt »

dist-epoch wrote: post #34
brunohaid wrote: post #28

Baffling tragedy, again. Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back. The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but…

A pilot speculated that it looks like a multiple bird strike.

Why no control inputs then? Surely, the plane could still be commanded in absence of engine power.
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