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Re: Agentic Coding Recommendations

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Post by mickeyp »

elpocko wrote: post #30
mickeyp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shameful plug: my upcoming app perhaps? Single-file download, fuss-free and install-less that runs on mac, windows and linux (+ docker of course.) It can run any model that talks to openai (which is nearly all of them), so it'll work with the big guys' models and of course other ones like ones you run privately or on localhost. Unlike Claude Code, which is very good, this one runs in your browser with a local app ser…

>run any model that talks to openai (which is nearly all of them) What does that mean? I've never seen any locally run model talk to OpenAI, how and why would they? Do you mean running an inference server that provides an OpenAI-compatible API?

Sorry, to clarify: OpenAI has an specification for their API endpoints that most vendors are compatible with or have adopted wholesale.

So, if your model inference server understands the REST API spec that OpenAI created way back, you can use a huge range of libraries that in theory only "work" with OpenAI.

Re: Agentic Coding Recommendations

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

decide1000 wrote: post #28
reedf1 wrote: post #23

I have seen multiple articles pushing for GO as agentic language of choice; does anyone else feel like this is quite forced? I have tried agentic coding in several languages and I didn't have a particularly good or productive experience with GO.

I don't agree with the author on the GO thing. I've created agents that work 24/7 on GH issues for me, in Rust, Python and PHP. I use Claude (api). The result overall is very good. When I wake up there is always a fresh PR waiting for me. I don't like the word "agent" because it is not a blind LLM, small or fast script. It is a complex workflow with many checks and prompting before writing a single line of code. That…

> I've created agents that work 24/7 on GH issues for me, in Rust, Python and PHP. I use Claude (api). The result overall is very good.

It's quite possible it's a case of holding things wrong but I think at least the basic evaluation I did that made me come to the conclusion that Go works particularly well isn't too bad. I just get results that I feel good with quicker than with Rust and Python. FWIW I also had really good results with PHP on the level of Go too, it's just overall a stack that does not cater too well to my problem.

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Post by Keats »

I've been trying Claude Code with Sonnet 4.0 for a week or so now for Rust code but it feels really underwhelming (and expensive since it's via Bedrock right now). Everytime it's doing something it's missing half despite spending a lot of time planning at the beginning of the session. What am I missing?

Re: Agentic Coding Recommendations

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Post by exfalso »

Keats wrote: post #33

I've been trying Claude Code with Sonnet 4.0 for a week or so now for Rust code but it feels really underwhelming (and expensive since it's via Bedrock right now). Everytime it's doing something it's missing half despite spending a lot of time planning at the beginning of the session. What am I missing?

Exact same experience. I have no clue what other people are doing. I was hunting for use cases where it could be used and it kept not working. I don't get it.

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Post by mark_h »

e40 wrote: post #29
yuri91 wrote: post #16

So using agents forces (or at least nudges) you to use go and tailwind, because they are simple enough (and abundant in the training data) for the AI to use correctly. Does this mean that eventually in a world where we all use this stuff, no new language/framework/library will ever be able to emerge? Competing with the existing alternatives will be too hard. You won't even be able to ask real humans for help on platf…

Speaking of which, anyone had success using these tools for coding Common Lisp?

Joe Marshall had a couple of posts about... No: https://funcall.blogspot.com/2025/05/vibe-coding-common-lisp...

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Post by Lapel2742 »

yuri91 wrote: post #16

So using agents forces (or at least nudges) you to use go and tailwind, because they are simple enough (and abundant in the training data) for the AI to use correctly. Does this mean that eventually in a world where we all use this stuff, no new language/framework/library will ever be able to emerge? Competing with the existing alternatives will be too hard. You won't even be able to ask real humans for help on platf…

> Does this mean that eventually in a world where we all use this stuff, no new language/framework/library will ever be able to emerge?

If you truly believe in the potential of agentic AI, then the logical conclusion is that programming languages will become the assembly languages of the 21st century. This may or may not become the unfortunate reality.

Re: Agentic Coding Recommendations

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Post by Tomte »

yuri91 wrote: post #16

So using agents forces (or at least nudges) you to use go and tailwind, because they are simple enough (and abundant in the training data) for the AI to use correctly. Does this mean that eventually in a world where we all use this stuff, no new language/framework/library will ever be able to emerge? Competing with the existing alternatives will be too hard. You won't even be able to ask real humans for help on platf…

I’m wondering whether we may see programming languages that are either unreadable to humans or at least designed towards use by LLMs.

Re: Agentic Coding Recommendations

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Post by energy123 »

exfalso wrote: post #35
Keats wrote: post #33

I've been trying Claude Code with Sonnet 4.0 for a week or so now for Rust code but it feels really underwhelming (and expensive since it's via Bedrock right now). Everytime it's doing something it's missing half despite spending a lot of time planning at the beginning of the session. What am I missing?

Exact same experience. I have no clue what other people are doing. I was hunting for use cases where it could be used and it kept not working. I don't get it.

Is it only Rust that you've had this experience with or is it a general thing?

Re: Agentic Coding Recommendations

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Post by PeterStuer »

yuri91 wrote: post #16

So using agents forces (or at least nudges) you to use go and tailwind, because they are simple enough (and abundant in the training data) for the AI to use correctly. Does this mean that eventually in a world where we all use this stuff, no new language/framework/library will ever be able to emerge? Competing with the existing alternatives will be too hard. You won't even be able to ask real humans for help on platf…

A traditional digital stack's lifecycle is:

1. The previous gen has become bloated and complex because it widened it's scope to cover every possible miche scenario and got infiltrated by 'expert' language and framework specialists that went on an atrotecture binge.

2. As a result a new stack is born, much simpler, back to basics, than the poorly aged encumbant. It doesn't cover every niche, but it does a few newly popular things realy easy and well, and rises on the coattails of this new thing as the default envoronment for it.

3. Over time the new stack ages just as poorly as the old stack for all the same reasons. So the cycle repeats.

I do not see this changing with ai-assisted coding, as context enrichment is getting better allowing a full stack specification in post training.

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