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They could be better, but I don't agree they're nonsensical. The comment is fine as a comment, but when asked to give a literary critique pointing out that the language could be clearer is entirely reasonable. But this is also besides the point, which is that it is trivial to get these models to argue - rightly or wrongly - that there are significant issues with your writing rather than claim everything is excellent.…
Okay but if it's just saying bullshit, it's useless as a critic.
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If it was just saying bullshit, I'd agree, but it isn't.
It was though. It hallucinated words that weren't in the text and criticised entirely fine things.
It did not hallucinate words that weren't in the text - there was a "this", just in the following sentence -, and when you make an error like that, it's quite ironic in this context that you're demanding better precision from a model you have such low opinion of than what you've demonstrated yourself.
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Most human criticism is not doing anything of deep analysis either, but just reading the text and comparing it to what we know about similar text. > Even if there was nothing wrong at all Claude would still find something to critique And the entire point was that you claimed 'Both ChatGPT and Claud always say something like, "a few grammar corrections are needed but this is excellent!"'. Which clearly is not the case…
It literally said that the word "this" in the second sentence was bad despite that word not being used in the sentence.
You seem to be stuck in a loop.
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Wow! Why? Personally, I'm fascinated by the question of what Joyce would have done with SillyTavern. Or Nabokov. Or Burroughs. Or T S Eliot, who incorporated news clippings into Wasteland - which feels, to me, extremely analogous with the way LLMs refract existing text into new patterns.
Creative works carry meaning through their author. The best art gives you insight into the imaginative mind of another human being—that is central to the experience of art at a fundamental level. But the machine does not intend anything. Based on the article as I understand it, this product basically does some simulated annealing of the quality of art as judged by an AI to achieve the "best possible story"—again, as…
You're presuming that your experience of it is universal, and it is not.
To me, a tool that would produce stories that I enjoy reading would add value to my world if I meant I got more stories I enjoy.
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Ah, fair enough. I believe quite strongly that creative works' meaning exists for the reader / audience / user. I don't think interpretation of art is towards an authorial, authoritative truth - rather that it's a lens to view the world through, and change one's perspective on it - so this is where we differ. But I understand your viewpoint. I do agree that the LLM's idea of achieving the 'best possible story' is def…
> The joy of creating should be in the creation > I think LLMs are the most interesting paintbrush-for-words we've come up with since the typewriter I cannot reconcile these thoughts in my head For me, the joy of creating does not come from asking the computer to create something for me. It doesn't matter what careful prompt I made, I did not create the outcome. The computer did And no, this is not the same as other…
And even authors who enjoy both might hate the many subsequent steps to publishing a book, such as getting editorial feedback and doing rewrites that can sometimes feel like a gut-punch (I sat on my first editorial feedback for a month, agonising over what to accept and what to ignore, and it was anxiety-inducing and felt awful - since I don't expect to make much money from my novels, I decided to ignore a lot of it, even when I knew the editor was probably right from a mass-market appeal point of view, but it sure as hell was not an enjoyable part of the process).
And some people don't enjoy the actual writing at all, but enjoys coming up with high-level plots and seeing what pops out.
In other words: It's not all or nothing, and people enjoy wildly different things about the process.
Or to put it yet another way: Some people - even adults - enjoy paint by numbers too. Not everyone want to create - sometimes people just want to be adjacent to creation and discover things.
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Like it or not, this stuff will happen. Might as well have curiosity about it
Technological change doesn't happen independent of culture. Stop with the technological determinism.
In this case, so many people are curious as to whether we can make this work and/or see financial implications that this will happen irrespective of whether wider culture rejects it.
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If you need to watermark it then you don't need to watermark it, though.
So if I can make an AI agent which talks to you just like your husband/wife/girlfriend etc, I can just send you messages without identifying myself as an AI? I mean, if you can't tell the difference it doesn't matter right?
If you choose to read a story, then unless it's purported to be by an author you know to be human, or explicitly claims to be written by a human, there is no deception.
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Creative works carry meaning through their author. The best art gives you insight into the imaginative mind of another human being—that is central to the experience of art at a fundamental level. But the machine does not intend anything. Based on the article as I understand it, this product basically does some simulated annealing of the quality of art as judged by an AI to achieve the "best possible story"—again, as…
I don't give a shit about getting an insight into the authors mind. It is not even revelant to the experience of art for me. You're presuming that your experience of it is universal, and it is not. To me, a tool that would produce stories that I enjoy reading would add value to my world if I meant I got more stories I enjoy.
There is a moment I come to over and again when reading any longer form work informed by AI. At first, I don't notice (if the author used it 'well'). But once far enough in, there is a moment where everything aligns and I see the structure of it and it is something I have seen a thousand times before. I have seen it in emails and stories and blog posts and articles and comments and SEO spam and novels passed off as human work. In that moment, I stop caring. In that moment, my brain goes, "Ah, I know this." And I feel as if I have already finished reading its entirety.
There is some amount of detail I obviously do not 'recall in advance of reading it'. The sum total of this is that which the author supplied. The rest is noise. There is no structure beyond that ever present skein patterned out by every single LLM in the same forms, and that skein I am bored of. It's always the same. I am tired of reading it again and again. I am tired of knowing exactly how what is coming up will come, if not the precise details of it, and the way every reaction will occur, and how every pattern of interaction will develop. I am tired of how LLMs tessellate the same shapes onto every conceptual seam.
I return now to my objection to your dismissal of the value of insight into the author's mind. The chief value, as I see it, is merely that it is always different. Every person has their own experiences and that means when I read them I will never have a moment where I know them (and consequently, the work) in advance, as I do the ghost-writing LLMs, which all share a corpus of experience.
Further, I would argue that the more apt notion of insight into the work is the sole value of said work (for entertainment), and that insight is one time use (or strongly frequency dependent, for entertainment value). Humans actively generate 'things to be insightful of' through lived experience, which enriches their outputs, while LLMs have an approximately finite quantity of such due to their nature as frozen checkpoints, which leads you to "oh, I have already consumed this insight; I have known this" situations.
If you have a magic tool that always produces a magically enjoyable work, by all means, enjoy. If you do not, which I suspect, farming insight from a constantly varying set of complex beings living rich real life experiences is the mechanical process through which a steady supply of enjoyable, fresh, and interesting works can be acquired.
Being unaware of this process does not negate its efficacy.
TLDR; from the perspective of consumption, generated works are predominantly toothless as reading any AI work depletes from a finite, shared pool of entertaining-insight that runs dry too quickly