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The Gentle Singularity

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Re: The Gentle Singularity

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Micro service systems are just huge sprawling code bases with more glue code. Calling something over a network instead of via a local function call is still calling something.

Another way to look at it is - why force the agent to grapple with the whole code base when they can rapidly standup many single purpose services instead?

A large code base with modules with clear interfaces accomplishes most of this and is more efficient. Often vastly more efficient. Compare the cost of a function call or an in process message queue with a network API call over http.

Cloud providers make more money the more they can get people to use inefficient designs with more moving parts to rack up more charges. Bonus if it also locks you into managed services. Double bonus if those are proprietary. Complexity benefits cloud hosts.

Microservices, like all patterns, sometimes make sense. Like all patterns they often get overused.

Re: The Gentle Singularity

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> Scientific progress is the biggest driver of overall progress > There will be very hard parts like whole classes of jobs going away, but on the other hand the world will be getting so much richer so quickly that we’ll be able to seriously entertain new policy ideas we never could before Real wages haven’t risen since 1980. Wealth inequality has. Most people have much less political power than they used to as wealth…

The problem is that housing and health insurance are too expensive. Tech isn’t responsible for either of those problems.

I mean home prices went up insane in California due to tech. Many people cashed out and bought homes in cheaper locations...driving up the housing prices there beyond what locals could afford.

How did Hacker News already forget these things?

Re: The Gentle Singularity

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In a way it is. Why are housing costs so high in Redmond, WA? The result of an influx of high income tech workers to the local housing market and the resulting shift of prices such as to eventually dilute the utility of that high salary to begin with. People in the area without a hook on that whale are of course left high and dry.

No... the reason housing prices are high and rising is that not enough housing is getting build in the places people want to live. The main reason for that is that the people who already live in those places can block construction of new housing. That, and zoning.

Housing prices in so many places are high because Californians, used to spending crazy high prices for property in tech spheres (or able to sell their property for crazy high prices because of the tech spheres) moved to other locations and caused property values in those areas to go up. Why is Hacker News trying to rewrite this?

Re: The Gentle Singularity

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> Scientific progress is the biggest driver of overall progress > There will be very hard parts like whole classes of jobs going away, but on the other hand the world will be getting so much richer so quickly that we’ll be able to seriously entertain new policy ideas we never could before Real wages haven’t risen since 1980. Wealth inequality has. Most people have much less political power than they used to as wealth…

> Real wages haven’t risen since 1980.

Do people really believe that? I think either people have too rosy view of 80s or consider that real wages should also adjust for lifestyle inflation.

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> Many people will choose to live their lives in much the same way, but at least some people will probably decide to “plug in”.

I bet he wants to be the first to "plug in" and become the first AI enhanced human.

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weird i didn't know they could build nuclear power plants (surely you are being sarcastic?) also this is weird i thought electricity prices only get cheaper? https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU000072610

Yes, tech corps have actually have been investing in nuclear. See some recent discussion: Microsoft: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41601443 Google: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41840769

would be great if ai forces better energy. but

> The deal would help enable a revival of Unit 1 of the five-decades-old facility in Pennsylvania that was retired in 2019 due to economic reasons.

i wonder why they stopped producing energy in 2019 even though energy prices have gone up over the five decades?

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People keep saying we're the richest country in the history of the world. I think we have a responsibility to practice good old fashioned Christian compassion (with a side of soft power if that's more your thing.)

I thought we weren't a Christian country? Either way, individuals are welcome to practice any sort of compassion they want with their own money. The government collects tax dollars from citizens under threat of violence, and their only responsibility should be to use that money to ensure the welfare of its citizens, not to engage in charity work in other countries. If citizens want to do that, have the government col…

Let me guess: “all taxation is theft”?

Absolutely we aren’t a Christian country. I personally don’t need Christianity to tell me charity for our fellow humans is a good thing. Plus, richest country in the history of the world remember?

The rich in the US enjoy their wealth at the “pleasure” of the lower classes. (And not just the American lower classes.) Those dollars they’re hoarding? Those were created by the people and have value because of the people. So, I’m all for confiscatory taxation to fund humane charitable endeavors and eliminate wealth hoarding. Someone will have to make do with one less yacht I suppose.

Finally, the amount we’re taking about here is a mere pittance. Let’s cut some other wasteful spending first (Pentagon) if you’re looking for savings.

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It sounds like it would a very useful ability for robots involved space missions. What technical challenges do you foresee with such a device?

I disagree with the entire premise that sending a whole second robot on a space mission is desirable. All that extra mass! And why humanoid? Not a reasonable form factor for a robotic space vehicle. Anyway, on a space mission, mass is everything. Why spend it on manipulators for fixing robots when you could build redundancy where you need it most? Your general purpose robot fixing robot still has to carry spares! Why…

Why I brought up space as it reminds me of the Apollo guidance computer story. The military had cutting-edge ICBM targeting technology, and within a few years, more powerful computers were in people's homes. Once a capability exists, it spreads. The idea that companies could successfully lock down self-repairing robots when the US government couldn't even keep ICBM guidance systems exclusive seems... optimistic.

And you're right about planned obsolescence in theory, but self-replication is fundamentally different from a smartphone. It's like having a genie that grants more wishes. Once someone demonstrates true self-replication even in a proprietary system then the cat's out of the bag. Open source communities, countries with different IP laws, hobbyists -- eventually someone will reverse engineer it. The economic incentive is just too massive. It's not like trying to copy a luxury handbag. It's copying the means of production itself.

As for space applications, yes, mass matters, but that's exactly why modular, self-repairing systems make sense. Instead of one giant redundant system, you'd have swarms of smaller units that can reconfigure, repair each other, and even combine into larger structures when needed. Much more mass-efficient than traditional redundancy. And regarding humanoid form sure you're right it's not optimal for space, but it's optimal for working in human environments. Our entire infrastructure is built for human bodies. Any robot that can use our tools, navigate our spaces, and interface with our systems has an immediate advantage. They don't need to be perfect copies - maybe four arms instead of two, different joint configurations - but roughly humanoid makes sense for terrestrial applications. And space applications that are designed and built by humans or for humans.

The question isn't whether this will happen, but when. What's your estimate for when we'll see the first truly self-maintaining robotic systems, even if they're not fully self-replicating?

Re: The Gentle Singularity

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post #463

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No... the reason housing prices are high and rising is that not enough housing is getting build in the places people want to live. The main reason for that is that the people who already live in those places can block construction of new housing. That, and zoning.

Housing prices in so many places are high because Californians, used to spending crazy high prices for property in tech spheres (or able to sell their property for crazy high prices because of the tech spheres) moved to other locations and caused property values in those areas to go up. Why is Hacker News trying to rewrite this?

No one's trying to rewrite anything.

"Californians, used to spending crazy high prices for property"

Please dig into why that statement is true and re-read your parent statement. Your analysis can't just abruptly stop there. It all goes back to housing supply.

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