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Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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I think it's neat that this summary is written by an author of the scientific manuscript. Oversimplification is a risk, but this approach eliminates the possibility that the writer did not understand the underlying science.

Yeah, wow. That was great. His solution seems so simple and clears all the previous model's problems. I guess every black hole could contain its own universe.

Too bad the author didn’t explain more the concept of the “parent” universe and how our own (contracting & expanding) universe got created. Nice things to read/consider/ponder late at night :-)

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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post #193
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might as well believe in God if you’re going to believe in spontaneous accidental creation…

There's quite a big philosophical difference between "there exists a point beyond which it is possible to make observations" and "the universe was created by an omnipotent being"

Am omnipotent being is a necessity for making observations. A lot of religions considers consciousness as God.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Oh I have so many questions on this topic. I've often wondered about this. I don't have any direct physics training, but it's something that felt really plausible after I learned that the mass of a black hole is linearly proportional to its swarzschild radius. As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. Combined with the other observation that our universe has uniform density at large sc…

> It somehow feels more appropriate to me to think of dark energy as energy being extracted out of the universe, in some form never to return. Maybe like a black hole evaporating as observed from the inside?

But in this story the black hole increases in size as matter falls into the horizon and shrinks as it evaporates, so cosmic expansion would be associated with more energy falling into the black hole than leaving it.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Interesting read, but even if we assume the author is correct, and the cosmos formed as a black hole in a larger universe, the question remains, how did this larger universe formed, then? Might just be impossible to know.

A larger black hole

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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post #90

> The black hole universe also offers a new perspective on our place in the cosmos. In this framework, our entire observable universe lies inside the interior of a black hole formed in some larger “parent” universe. Does it also follow that black holes in our universe contain universes internally, beyond their event horizons?! Seems like it should. Mind-blowing.

Damn, I would not have guessed that Men In Black was actually a documentary...

I thought the universe they were saving in that was in some kind of "fish bowl" type universe (galaxy?)

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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I'm not a scientist or astrophysicist but i do believe in science, is it ok to believe that we as humans and all our scientific development still very very far from proving anything remotely close to how the universe got created? I feel this subject is for humanity in year 2600 to start discussing it. Scientist still can show their theories and search papers and i can't understand a shit but i don't believe in any th…

I think the phrase 'believe in science' is weird; it's nearly as problematic as "I have faith in science".

It can be, but generally the concept of 'belief' isn't attributed to ground truths; it's just 'the truth', you rarely hear the phrase "I believe 2 and 2 is 4." , it's just '2 and 2 is 4.' -- I think that's important.

In fact, a lot of people insert the word 'believe' to insert a concept of self-doubt. "What was our last test results passing rate?" "I believe it was around 95 percent.."

But semantics aside here's the real question : Why do you have some kind of notion that you should 'believe' anything without being able to understand it? Just trust in the world and those around you?

We haven't figured origin yet, so let's get off that, but when a scientist of some sort makes a discovery, they release evidence and methods , and you decide to believe the conclusions without an understanding of the work -- well that's just a display of faith. Faith in the scientist themselves, the system they work within, and the society you're in.

Which leads me to say this : If you make an effort to begin to understand the frameworks and systems which lead to scientific conclusions you can largely remove the faith and belief elements up until you hit the very highest spectrums of each field where speculation comes back into play.

tl;dr : if you 'cant understand a shit', you don't put any leg-work in and make an effort to speak the language, you'll probably end back up in beliefs rather than an ever increasing codex of knowledge -- regardless of the field. That's okay -- but it doesn't offer the same benefits as knowledge -- it just lets one say things like "I don't believe in any theory..."

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

#207
post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we can't even predict inflation rates maybe we should hold off on explaining the birth of the entire universe, yeah?

Predicting inflation rates may be harder than discovering the birth of the universe actually, because it would require perfect knowledge of the present and by the time you compute it it's out of date.

We can claim to simulate the first femtoseconds of the universe...model nuclear detonations in software down to quantum effects....but 340 million citizens buying gas and groceries? That’s somehow beyond our grasp... :-)

Maybe the problem isn’t complexity, but that science gets arrogant when it drifts into realms where its claims can’t be falsified ;-)

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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Oh I have so many questions on this topic. I've often wondered about this. I don't have any direct physics training, but it's something that felt really plausible after I learned that the mass of a black hole is linearly proportional to its swarzschild radius. As the size of the black hole goes up, its overall density must decrease. Combined with the other observation that our universe has uniform density at large sc…

There was a thread a while ago on here where the hypothesis for why things are moving apart at faster rates is down to time moving at different speeds due to mass.

So time in the void between galaxies is moving quicker than time in the galaxies, but on the grand scale of the universe the differences as up a lot.

I quite liked this theory, think is make sense, at least from my very limited understanding of this stuff.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

#209

Big bang theory no longer excites me. As long as we can't explain consciousness all these theories are pointless. All theories mere appearances in consciousness including the universe and everything we experience. Consciousness has the property to render infinite universes and theories. But we have no clue how universe creates consciousness.

First define consciousness such that the definition differentiates you from a computer with a webcam.

Re: Research suggests Big Bang may have taken place inside a black hole

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post #95
post #25

> The Big Bang is often described as the explosive birth of the universe – a singular moment when space, time and matter sprang into existence. It is indeed "often described" in the media as such. However, that is _not_ the currently accepted theory. "What if there were no space and time before the Big Bang" is just Stephen Hawking's pet theory.

What people seem to not be able to conceptualize, consciously or not, is that there really is no "before" the Big Bang in the standard model (Lambda-CDM), if time itself exists only after t=0.

The Lambda CDM does not really say that. As other commenters have pointed out, Lambda-CDM is silent on the very earliest few moments of the universe where quantum gravity would be required.
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