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This is almost certainly what they're doing and rebranding the original o3 model as "o3-pro"
Nope, not what we’re doing. o3 is still o3 (no nerfing) and o3-pro is new and better than o3. If we were lying about this, it would be really easy to catch us - just run evals. (I work at OpenAI.)
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Hi - I'm the COO of OpenRouter. In practice we don't expire the credits, but have to reserve the right to, or else we have a uncapped liability literally forever. Can't operate that way :) Everyone who issues credits on a platform has to have some way of expiring them. It's not a profit center for us, or part of our P&L; just a protection we have to have.
If you're worried about the unlimited liability, how about you refund the credits instead of expiring them?
Really a shame OpenAI left their non-profit (and open) roots, could have been something different but nope, the machine ate them whole.
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If the competition boils down to who has access to the largest amount of high quality data, it's hard to see how anyone but Google could win in the end: through Google Books they have scans of tens of millions of books, and published books are the highest quality texts there are.
I've been learning vietnamese. Unfortunately, a lot of social media (reddit, fb, etc) has a new generation of language. The younger generation uses so much abbreviations and acronyms, ChatGPT and Google Translate can't keep up. I think if you're goal is to have properly written langauge using older writing styles, then you're correct.
The fact that these tend to be written in an older writing style is to me incidental. You could rewrite all your college text books in contemporary social media slang and I would still consider them high-quality texts.
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o3 is a model, and reasoning effort (high/medium/low) is a parameter that goes into the model. o3 pro is a different thing - it’s not just o3 with maximum remaining effort.
Why's it called o3 then if it's a different thing? There's already a rather extreme amount of confusion with the model names and it's not clear _at all_ which model would be "the best" in terms of response quality. Here's the current state with version numbers as far as I can piece it together (using my best guess at naming of each component of the version identifier. Might be totally wrong tho): 1) prefix (optional)…
As an analogy, think of it like this:
o3-low ~ Ford Mustang with the accelerator gently pressed
o3-medium ~ Ford Mustang with the accelerator pressed
o3-high ~ Ford Mustang with the accelerator heavily pressed
o3 pro ~ Ford Mustang GT
Even though a Mustang GT is a different car than a Mustang, you don’t give it a totally different name (eg Palomino). The similarity in name signals it has a lot of the same characteristics but a souped up engine. Same for o3 pro.
Fun fact: before GPT-4, we had a unified naming scheme for models that went {modality}-{size}-{version}, which resulted in names like text-davinci-002. We considered launching GPT-4 as something like text-earhart-001, but since everyone was calling it GPT-4 anyway, we abandoned that system to use the name GPT-4 that everyone had already latched onto. Kind of funny how our original unified naming scheme made room for 999 versions, but we didn't make it past 3.
Edit: When I say the Mustang GT is a different car than a Mustang - I mean it literally. If you bought a Mustang GT and someone delivered a Mustang with a different trim, you wouldn't say "great, this is just what I ordered, with the same features/behavior/value." That we call it a different trim is a linguistic choice to signal to consumers that it's very similar, and built on the same production line, but comes with a different engine or different features. Similar to o3 pro.
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Maybe they should look into a non-freemium business model. But that won't happen because they want to have as much personal data as possible. - Parent talks about a paid product. If they wants to burn tokens, they are going to pay for it. - Those phone requirements do not stop professional abusers, organized crime nor state sponsored groups. Case in point: twitter is overrun by bots, scammers and foreign info-ops swa…
I don't like requiring phone numbers either, but saying OpenAI shouldn't do freemium model for hottest tech product of this century (AI) is a fundamental misunderstanding of how humans and the world works. Also, if they don't do freemium they're getting way more valuable information about you than just a phone number.
Only requiring the phone number for API users feels needlessly invasive and is not explained by a vague "countering fraud and abuse" for a paid product...
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What dropped benchmark performance?
o3 scores noticeably worse on benchmarks compared to its original announcement benchmarks
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Why's it called o3 then if it's a different thing? There's already a rather extreme amount of confusion with the model names and it's not clear _at all_ which model would be "the best" in terms of response quality. Here's the current state with version numbers as far as I can piece it together (using my best guess at naming of each component of the version identifier. Might be totally wrong tho): 1) prefix (optional)…
o3 pro is based on o3 and its style and outputs will be quite similar to o3. As an analogy, think of it like this: o3-low ~ Ford Mustang with the accelerator gently pressed o3-medium ~ Ford Mustang with the accelerator pressed o3-high ~ Ford Mustang with the accelerator heavily pressed o3 pro ~ Ford Mustang GT Even though a Mustang GT is a different car than a Mustang, you don’t give it a totally different name (eg P…
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The article links to a forum post which kind of explains how engagement is maximised https://community.openai.com/t/uncovering-the-intent-behind-...
Poetic, but I don't think that really explains anything .
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I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me. The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying. Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card. Has anyone got info on…
Source: have dealt with fraud at scale before. Phone number is the only way to reliably stop MOST abuse on a freemium product that doesn't require payment/identity verification upfront. You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts. Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to c…
Your explanation is inconsistent with the link in these comments showing Twitter getting fined for doing the opposite.
> Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to create an account these days.
Facebook is the company most known for disingenuous tracking schemes. They just got caught with their app running a service on localhost to provide tracking IDs to random shady third party websites.
> You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts.
There isn't any such thing as a "VOIP number", all phone numbers are phone numbers. There are only some profiteers claiming they can tell you that in exchange for money. Between MVNOs, small carriers, forwarding services, number portability, data inaccuracy and foreign users, those databases are practically random number generators with massive false positive rates.
Meanwhile major carriers are more than happy to give phone numbers in their ranges to spammers in bulk, to the point that this is now acting as a profit center for the spammers and allowing them to expand their spamming operations because they can get a large number of phone numbers those services claim aren't "VOIP numbers", use them for spamming the services they want to spam, and then sell cheap or ad-supported SMS service at a profit to other spammers or privacy-conscious people who want to sign up for a service they haven't used that number at yet.