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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by LexGray »

pembrook wrote: post #436
leetrout wrote: post #243

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I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me. The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying. Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card. Has anyone got info on…

Source: have dealt with fraud at scale before. Phone number is the only way to reliably stop MOST abuse on a freemium product that doesn't require payment/identity verification upfront. You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts. Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to c…

On the flip side it makes a company seem sparklingly inept when they use VOIP as a method to filter valid users. I haven’t done business with companies like Netflix or Uber because I don’t feel like paying AT&T a cut for identity verification. There are plenty of other methods like digital licenses which are both more secure and with better privacy protections.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by exceptione »

pembrook wrote: post #436
leetrout wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me. The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying. Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card. Has anyone got info on…

Source: have dealt with fraud at scale before. Phone number is the only way to reliably stop MOST abuse on a freemium product that doesn't require payment/identity verification upfront. You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts. Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to c…

Maybe they should look into a non-freemium business model. But that won't happen because they want to have as much personal data as possible.

- Parent talks about a paid product. If they wants to burn tokens, they are going to pay for it.

- Those phone requirements do not stop professional abusers, organized crime nor state sponsored groups. Case in point: twitter is overrun by bots, scammers and foreign info-ops swarms.

- Phone requirements might hinder non-professional abusers at best, but we are sidestepping the issue if those corporations deserve that much trust to compel regular users to sell themselves. Maybe the business model just sucks.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by coderatlarge »

teruakohatu wrote: post #331
coderatlarge wrote: post #267

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this reminds me of how broadcom maintains the “free” tier of vmware.

Can you explain? Is it not actually free?

there are so many non-functional websites and signups required to get to the end of the rainbow that any sane person quits well before getting to any freely distributed software, if, in fact, there still is some.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by pembrook »

LexGray wrote: post #441
pembrook wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source: have dealt with fraud at scale before. Phone number is the only way to reliably stop MOST abuse on a freemium product that doesn't require payment/identity verification upfront. You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts. Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to c…

On the flip side it makes a company seem sparklingly inept when they use VOIP as a method to filter valid users. I haven’t done business with companies like Netflix or Uber because I don’t feel like paying AT&T a cut for identity verification. There are plenty of other methods like digital licenses which are both more secure and with better privacy protections.

I wish we could all agree on a better way of auth -- but unfortunately this is all we have. Asking normal people to do anything outside of phone number or email (or 'login with [other account based on phone number or email]' for auth is basically impossible.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jazzyjackson »

azinman2 wrote: post #332
jazzyjackson wrote: post #276

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(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers…

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

You're thinking ads are to advertise products. Ads are to modify behavior to make you more likely to buy products.

ChatGPT has the capacity to modify behavior more subtly than any advertising ever devised. Aggregating knowledge on the person on the other end of the line is key in knowing how to nudge them toward the target behavior. (Note this target behavior may be how to vote in an election, or how to feel about various hot topics.)

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by pembrook »

exceptione wrote: post #442
pembrook wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source: have dealt with fraud at scale before. Phone number is the only way to reliably stop MOST abuse on a freemium product that doesn't require payment/identity verification upfront. You can easily block VOIP numbers and ensure the person connected to this number is paying for an actual phone plan, which cuts down dramatically on bogus accounts. Hence why even Facebook requires a unique, non-VOIP phone number to c…

Maybe they should look into a non-freemium business model. But that won't happen because they want to have as much personal data as possible. - Parent talks about a paid product. If they wants to burn tokens, they are going to pay for it. - Those phone requirements do not stop professional abusers, organized crime nor state sponsored groups. Case in point: twitter is overrun by bots, scammers and foreign info-ops swa…

I don't like requiring phone numbers either, but saying OpenAI shouldn't do freemium model for hottest tech product of this century (AI) is a fundamental misunderstanding of how humans and the world works.

Also, if they don't do freemium they're getting way more valuable information about you than just a phone number.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by codedokode »

azinman2 wrote: post #332
jazzyjackson wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers…

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

Obvious goal is to know the identity of users.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by _345 »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

o3 is really powerful. I understand it tbh. They don't want scammers and abusers easily accessing it

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by wqaatwt »

7bit wrote: post #393
TiredOfLife wrote: post #376

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https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/search?q=id

That's not a source and it is not my responsibility to backup the claims you made. That is yours. If you don't have any sources, and admit to just saying things that are not probable, I can also live with that.

What’s the source on OpenAI doing the same? How is it anymore legitimate in anyway?

Which kind of would make the entire “discussion” moot and pointless

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