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US ambassador to Israel:US no longer pursuing goal independent Palestinian state

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Re: US ambassador to Israel:US no longer pursuing goal independent Palestinian state

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Post by myth_drannon »

nailer wrote: post #18
Hikikomori wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So everyone living there now is not from another country? Either way, what we both stated is not mutually exclusive.

The majority of Jewish people in Israel are Mizrahi Jews, ie they remained in the Middle East in places like Israel, Iraq, Iran, Syria. There are also Ashekanzi Jews who are also Jewish but migrated to Europe, kept in isolated communities, and returned. 20% of the population are also Arabs that arrived from the Arabian peninsula.

Small correction but that's Mizrahi Jews you are talking about... Sephards are from Al-Andalus(what is now white colonized Spain)

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

rickydroll wrote: post #10
krapp wrote: post #7

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>Trump and his buffoon class havent done anything major in their lives beyond Attention Capture. Tell that to California. Trump and his ilk are buffoons but they aren't simply putting on a show for the 'gram.

California and ICE actions in general are important to address, but I believe they were created as a distraction from the authoritarian provisions of the BBB tax bill.

So? They're still real actions. Doesn't matter why they're being done, they're still happening.

And if Trump is doing this just as a distraction (I'm not convinced), then would he be willing to invade Greenland as a distraction too?

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Post by bananapub »

rickydroll wrote: post #10
krapp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Trump and his buffoon class havent done anything major in their lives beyond Attention Capture. Tell that to California. Trump and his ilk are buffoons but they aren't simply putting on a show for the 'gram.

California and ICE actions in general are important to address, but I believe they were created as a distraction from the authoritarian provisions of the BBB tax bill.

they can be, and in fact are, both horrific actions as well as distractions.

you need to deal with both the reality and the background at the same time rather than letting them get a pass for daily actions that would have had any previous president impeached and convicted.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

Hikikomori wrote: post #16
nhdjd wrote: post #5

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Trump and his buffoon class havent done anything major in their lives beyond Attention Capture. We live in an Attention Economy that massively benefits Attention seekers. So it become easy to mistake attention capture with getting complicated things done.

Trump is just the tool of the heritage Foundation and the federalist society, project 2025 is their plan. If trump goes against them he'll be out in no time and their true puppet can take his place, Vance.

I don't know about Vance. I don't think he's a true believer, but I could be wrong.

My best read on him is that his agenda is himself (to steal a line from Robert Parker). He's moving whichever way he needs to in order to continue to climb. I have no idea who he'd be as president.

But that's my impression. He could be on board with Project 2025 (as opposed to parroting it).

Re: US ambassador to Israel:US no longer pursuing goal independent Palestinian state

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Post by Hikikomori »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #24
Hikikomori wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is just the tool of the heritage Foundation and the federalist society, project 2025 is their plan. If trump goes against them he'll be out in no time and their true puppet can take his place, Vance.

I don't know about Vance. I don't think he's a true believer, but I could be wrong. My best read on him is that his agenda is himself (to steal a line from Robert Parker). He's moving whichever way he needs to in order to continue to climb. I have no idea who he'd be as president. But that's my impression. He could be on board with Project 2025 (as opposed to parroting it).

He worked for Thiel and his political career was funded by Thiel, is friends with him and Curtis Yarvin, who is the originator of many of the things they're doing in project 2025.

He could be in it for himself and using them, but I think he's a believer as he keeps quoting and repeating ideas from Yarvin. I dont think that trump is a believer, he is using them to execute his revenge and gain power.

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Post by beardyw »

nailer wrote: post #12
Hikikomori wrote: post #3

No surprises here. The settler colonialist project continues.

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> Arabs invaded during Arab colonisation in 650 A.D

Oh, like Europeans invaded North America a thousand years later? So who has the rights to Noth America?

Re: US ambassador to Israel:US no longer pursuing goal independent Palestinian state

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Post by nailer »

beardyw wrote: post #27
nailer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Arabs invaded during Arab colonisation in 650 A.D Oh, like Europeans invaded North America a thousand years later? So who has the rights to Noth America?

Yes. That's why we don't protest native Americans that want to live in America.

Re: US ambassador to Israel:US no longer pursuing goal independent Palestinian state

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Post by AlecSchueler »

rickydroll wrote: post #10
krapp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Trump and his buffoon class havent done anything major in their lives beyond Attention Capture. Tell that to California. Trump and his ilk are buffoons but they aren't simply putting on a show for the 'gram.

California and ICE actions in general are important to address, but I believe they were created as a distraction from the authoritarian provisions of the BBB tax bill.

You might believe that but their past behaviour, plans and reasoning have all been unpredictable and ostensibly irrational so there's really no reason to believe this over anything else. The next person could say they believe he wants to enact martial law, and the next could say it wasn't even an expected outcome.

In fact I bet there would be as many seemingly reasonable beliefs as there would be people willing to comment on it.

The only thing for sure is that we don't know and anyone outside the administration claiming a level of certainty around it is doing nothing more than confabulating.

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