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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

johnb231 wrote: post #309
refulgentis wrote: post #307

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So you don't have anything to contribute beyond, and aren't interested in anything beyond, citing of terms? Why are you in the comments section of a engineering news site? (note: beyond your, excuse me while I'm direct now, boorish know-nothing reply, the terms you are citing have nothing to do with the thing people are actually discussing around you , despite your best efforts. It doesn't say "we might swap in a new…

This case was simply a matter of people not understanding the terms of service. There is nothing more to be said. It's that simple. The "engineers" should know that before deploying to prod. Basic competence. And I mean I genuinely do not understand what you are trying to say. Couldn't parse it.

> And I mean I genuinely do not understand what you are trying to say. Couldn't parse it.

It’s always worth considering that this may be your problem. If you still don’t get it, the only valuable reply is one which asks a question. Also, including “it’s not that complicated” only serves to inflame.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by predkambrij »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Interesting, it works for me through openrouter, without configured openai integration. Although, I have openai account and did verification with openai before. Conspiricy theory would say that they are exchanging PII so openrouter knows who am I :)

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by rgbrenner »

rvnx wrote: post #357
rgbrenner wrote: post #138

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same. i ran a few tests ($100 worth of api calls) with opus 4 and didn’t see any difference compared to sonnet 4 other than the price. also no idea why he thinks roo is handicapped when claude code nerfs the thinking output and requires typing “think”/think hard/think harder/ultrathink just to expand the max thinking tokens.. which on ultrathink only sets it at 32k… when the max in roo is 51200 and it’s just a settin…

I think I could share a trick that could help: From my experience (so not an ultimate truth) Claude is not so great at taking the decision for planning by its own: it dives immediately into coding. If you ask it to think step-by-step it still doesn’t do it but Gemini 2.5 Pro is good at that planning but terrible at actual coding. So you can use Gemini as planner and Claude as programmer and you get something decent o…

I think you misread my comment. I wasn't asking for help. I get consistent good output from Sonnet 4 using RooCode, without needing Gemini for planning.

Edit: I think I know where our miscommunication is happening...

The "think"/"ultrathink" series of magic words are a claudecode specific feature used to control the max thinking tokens in the request. For example, in claude code, saying "ultrathink" sets the max thinking tokens to 32k.

On other clients these keywords do nothing. In Roo, max thinking tokens is a setting. You can just set it to 32k, and then that's the same as saying "ultrathink" in every prompt in claudecode. But in Roo, I can also setup different settings profiles to use for each mode (with different max thinking token settings), configure the mode prompt, system prompt, etc. No magic keywords needed.. and you have full control over the request.

Claude Code doesn't expose that level of control.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by ax0ar »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #407
azinman2 wrote: post #332

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OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

> It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. I’m pretty sure you do. Claude too. The only chatbot company I’ve made an account with is Mistral specifically because a phone number was not a registration requirement.

They also require it now.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by fsmv »

prmoustache wrote: post #409
azinman2 wrote: post #332

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OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

The fact they don't sell ads doesn't mean they are not in the business of selling users data to third parties. Also Netflix wasn't initially selling ads and there you have after increasing the price of their plans drastically in the last few years the ad supported subscription is probably the #1 plans because most people aren't willing to shed 15 to 25usd/€ every month to watch content that is already littered with a…

If you sell ads you're actually incentivised not to sell data because then your competitors would be able to reach your users without paying you

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by ponector »

sgarland wrote: post #420
jazzyjackson wrote: post #276

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(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers…

Tangential: please do not use a phone number as a PK. Aside from the nightmare of normalizing them, there is zero guarantee that someone will keep the same number.

Even better: phone numbers are redistributed after some time of inactivity.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

azinman2 wrote: post #332
jazzyjackson wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers…

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

They may not sell ads.

They may still buy data from ad companies and store credit cards, etc.

Many of them link users based on phone number.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by energy123 »

tauntz wrote: post #381
tedsanders wrote: post #328

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o3 is a model, and reasoning effort (high/medium/low) is a parameter that goes into the model. o3 pro is a different thing - it’s not just o3 with maximum remaining effort.

Why's it called o3 then if it's a different thing? There's already a rather extreme amount of confusion with the model names and it's not clear _at all_ which model would be "the best" in terms of response quality. Here's the current state with version numbers as far as I can piece it together (using my best guess at naming of each component of the version identifier. Might be totally wrong tho): 1) prefix (optional)…

My guess is this comes from an org structure where you have multiple "pods" working on different research. Who comes up with the next shippable model and when that happens is kind of random and the chaotic naming system comes from that. It's just my speculation and could be wildly wrong.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by azinman2 »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #427
azinman2 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI doesn’t (currently) sell ads. I really cannot see a world where they’re wanting to sell ads to their API users only? It’s not like you need a phone number to use ChatGPT. To me the obvious example is fraud/abuse protection.

They may not sell ads. They may still buy data from ad companies and store credit cards, etc. Many of them link users based on phone number.

But to do what with api users? Most api users won’t be individuals…

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by throwaway314155 »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #408
beering wrote: post #263

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The o3-preview test was with very expensive amounts of compute, right? I remember it was north of $10k so makes sense it did better

Point remains though, they crushed the benchmark using a specialized model that you’ll probably never have access to, whether personally or through a company. They inflated expectations and then released to the public a model that underperforms

They revealed the price points for running those evaluations. IIRC the "high" level of reasoning cost tens of thousands of dollars if not more. I don't think they really inflated expectations. In fact a lot of what we learned is that ARC-AGI probably isn't a very good AGI evaluation (it claims to not be one, but the name suggests otherwise).
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