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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by askl »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Crazy, I already gave up registering for chatgpt because they asked for my phone number. I'm not giving that to any random startup.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by gscott »

__float wrote: post #265
conradev wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was more excited by the process, like, there exists a model out there so powerful it requires KYC which, after using it, fair! It found a zero day

I think they're probably more concerned about fake accounts and people finding ways to get free stuff.

China is training their AI models using ChatGPT. They want to stop or slow that down.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by gloosx »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

>ID Check

Just send them a random passport photo from the Internet, what's the deal? Probably they are just vibe-verifying the photo with "Is it legit passport?" prompt anyways.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by code_biologist »

coconut08 wrote: post #22
behnamoh wrote: post #10

how do we know it's not a quantized version of o3? what's stopping these firms from announcing the full model to perform well on the benchmarks and then gradually quantizing it (first at Q8 so no one notices, then Q6, then Q4, ...). I have a suspicion that's how they were able to get gpt-4-turbo so fast. In practice, I found it inferior to the original GPT-4 but the company probably benchmaxxed the hell out of the tu…

Quantization is a massive efficiency gain for near negligible drop in quality. If the tradeoff is quantization for an 80 percent price drop I would take that any day of the week.

I would like the option to pay for the unquantized version. For creative or story writing (D&D campaign materials and such) quantization seems to end up in much weaker word selection and phrasing. There are small semantic missteps that break the illusion the LLM understands what it's writing. I find it jarring and deeply immersion breaking. I'd prefer prototype prompts on a cheaper quantized version, but I want to be able to spend 50 cents an API call to get golden output.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by sneak »

gloosx wrote: post #363
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

>ID Check Just send them a random passport photo from the Internet, what's the deal? Probably they are just vibe-verifying the photo with "Is it legit passport?" prompt anyways.

It requires video and an app. They are collecting facial biometrics.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by sneak »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Yeah, same. I am a paying API customer but I am not doing biometric KYC to talk to a bot.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by baq »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Meanwhile the FSB and Mossad happily generate fake identities on demand.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by code_biologist »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #84
behnamoh wrote: post #10

how do we know it's not a quantized version of o3? what's stopping these firms from announcing the full model to perform well on the benchmarks and then gradually quantizing it (first at Q8 so no one notices, then Q6, then Q4, ...). I have a suspicion that's how they were able to get gpt-4-turbo so fast. In practice, I found it inferior to the original GPT-4 but the company probably benchmaxxed the hell out of the tu…

Is this what happened to Gemini 2.5 Pro? It used to be very good, but it's started struggling on basic tasks. The thing that gets me is it seems to be lying about fetching a web page. It will say things are there that were never on any version of the page and it sometimes takes multiple screenshots of the page to convince it that it's wrong.

My use case is mostly creative writing.

IMO 2.5 Pro 03-25 was insanely good. I suspect it was also very expensive to run. The 05-06 release was a huge regression in quality, most people saying it was a better coder and a worse writer. They tested a few different variants and some were less bad then others, but overall it was painful to lose access to such a good model. The just released 06-05 version seems to be uniformly better than 05-06, with far fewer "wow this thing is dumb as a rock" failure modes, but it still is not as strong as the 03-25 release.

Entirely anecdotally, 06-05 seems to exactly ride the line of "good enough to be the best, but no better than that" presumably to save costs versus the OG 03-25.

In addition, Google is doing something notably different between what you get on AI Studio versus the Gemini site/app. Maybe a different system prompt. There have been a lot of anecdotal comparisons on /r/bard and I do think the AI Studio version is better.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by romanovcode »

baq wrote: post #367
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

Meanwhile the FSB and Mossad happily generate fake identities on demand.

The whole point of identity verification is for the same Mossad to gather your complete profile and everything else they can from OpenAI.

Since Mossad and CIA is essentially one organization they already do it, 100%.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by _joel »

gloosx wrote: post #363
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

>ID Check Just send them a random passport photo from the Internet, what's the deal? Probably they are just vibe-verifying the photo with "Is it legit passport?" prompt anyways.

I think modern face verification has moved on, it's been video in all my encounters.
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