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OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by johnb231 »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #305
johnb231 wrote: post #298

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The model is labelled as Preview. There are no guarantees of stability or availability for Preview models. Not intended for production workloads. https://cloud.google.com/products?hl=en#product-launch-stage... "At Preview, products or features are ready for testing by customers. Preview offerings are often publicly announced, but are not necessarily feature-complete, and no SLAs or technical support commitments are p…

There's a very large gulf between "what makes sense to Google" and "what makes sense to Human Beings". I have so many rants about Google's poor treatment of "customers" that they feel like Oracle to me now. Like every time I use them, I'm really just falling prey to my own misguided idea that this time I won't get screwed over.

The users aren't random "human beings" in this case. They are professional software developers who are expected to understand the basics. Deploying that model into production shows a lack of basic competence. It is clearly marked "preview" and is for test only.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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refulgentis wrote: post #310
johnb231 wrote: post #309

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This case was simply a matter of people not understanding the terms of service. There is nothing more to be said. It's that simple. The "engineers" should know that before deploying to prod. Basic competence. And I mean I genuinely do not understand what you are trying to say. Couldn't parse it.

John, do you understand that the thing you're quoting says "We reserve the right to pull things", not "We reserve the right to swap in a new service"? Do you understand that even if it did say that, that wasn't true either ? It was some weird undocumentable half-beast? I have exactly your attitude about their cavalier use of preview for all things Gemini, and even people's use of the preview models. But I've also bee…

How is this so hard to understand? It's a preview service for testing only, not intended for production.

I am done with this thread. We are going around in circles.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by sagarpatil »

lxgr wrote: post #48

Is there also a corresponding increase in weekly messages for ChatGPT Plus users with o3? In my experience, o4-mini and o4-mini-high are far behind o3 in utility, but since I’m rate-limited for the latter, I end up primarily using the former, which has kind of reinforced the perception that OpenAI’s thinking models are behind the competition altogether.

Before: 50 messages per week Now: 100 messages per week

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by ddtaylor »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I also am using OpenRouter because OpenAI isn't a great fit for me. I also stopped using OpenAI because they expire your API credits even if you don't use them. Yeah, it's only $10, but I'm not spending another dime with them.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by refulgentis »

johnb231 wrote: post #312
refulgentis wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John, do you understand that the thing you're quoting says "We reserve the right to pull things", not "We reserve the right to swap in a new service"? Do you understand that even if it did say that, that wasn't true either ? It was some weird undocumentable half-beast? I have exactly your attitude about their cavalier use of preview for all things Gemini, and even people's use of the preview models. But I've also bee…

How is this so hard to understand? It's a preview service for testing only, not intended for production. I am done with this thread. We are going around in circles.

Well, no. Well, sure. You're done, but we're not going in circles. It'd just do too much damage to you to have to answer the simple question "Where does the legalese say they can swap in a new service?", so you have to pretend this is circular and just all-so-confusing, de facto, we have to pretend it is confusing and/or obviously wrong to use any Gemini 2+ at all.

It's a cute argument, as I noted, I'm emotionally sympathetic to it even, it's my favorite "get off my lawn." However, I've also been on the Internet long enough to know you write back, at length, when people try anti-intellectualism and why-are-we-even-talking-about-this as interaction.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by johnb231 »

refulgentis wrote: post #315
johnb231 wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this so hard to understand? It's a preview service for testing only, not intended for production. I am done with this thread. We are going around in circles.

Well, no. Well, sure. You're done, but we're not going in circles. It'd just do too much damage to you to have to answer the simple question "Where does the legalese say they can swap in a new service?", so you have to pretend this is circular and just all-so-confusing, de facto, we have to pretend it is confusing and/or obviously wrong to use any Gemini 2+ at all. It's a cute argument, as I noted, I'm emotionally sy…

https://cloud.google.com/terms/service-terms

"b. Disclaimer. PRE-GA OFFERINGS ARE PROVIDED “AS IS” WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR REPRESENTATIONS OF ANY KIND. Pre-GA Offerings (i) may be changed, suspended or discontinued at any time without prior notice to Customer and (ii) are not covered by any SLA or Google indemnity. Except as otherwise expressly indicated in a written notice or Google documentation, (A) Pre-GA Offerings are not covered by TSS, and (B) the Data Location Section above will not apply to Pre-GA Offerings."

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by anoncareer0212 »

johnb231 wrote: post #318
refulgentis wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, no. Well, sure. You're done, but we're not going in circles. It'd just do too much damage to you to have to answer the simple question "Where does the legalese say they can swap in a new service?", so you have to pretend this is circular and just all-so-confusing, de facto, we have to pretend it is confusing and/or obviously wrong to use any Gemini 2+ at all. It's a cute argument, as I noted, I'm emotionally sy…

https://cloud.google.com/terms/service-terms "b. Disclaimer. PRE-GA OFFERINGS ARE PROVIDED “AS IS” WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR REPRESENTATIONS OF ANY KIND. Pre-GA Offerings (i) may be changed, suspended or discontinued at any time without prior notice to Customer and (ii) are not covered by any SLA or Google indemnity. Except as otherwise expressly indicated in a written notice or Google documentatio…

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by johnb231 »

anoncareer0212 wrote: post #319
johnb231 wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://cloud.google.com/terms/service-terms "b. Disclaimer. PRE-GA OFFERINGS ARE PROVIDED “AS IS” WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR REPRESENTATIONS OF ANY KIND. Pre-GA Offerings (i) may be changed, suspended or discontinued at any time without prior notice to Customer and (ii) are not covered by any SLA or Google indemnity. Except as otherwise expressly indicated in a written notice or Google documentatio…

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