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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by paulcole »

jiggawatts wrote: post #244
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

This is in part "abuse prevention"[1] and in part marketing . Making customers feel like they're signing up to access state secrets makes the models seem more "special". Sama is well known to use these SV marketing tricks, like invite-only access, waiting lists, etc to psychologically manipulate users into thinking they're begging for entry to an exclusive club instead of just swiping a credit card to access an API.…

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by hiatus »

conradev wrote: post #236
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I was more excited by the process, like, there exists a model out there so powerful it requires KYC which, after using it, fair! It found a zero day

> which, after using it, fair! It found a zero day

Source?

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by thegeomaster »

johnb231 wrote: post #266
thegeomaster wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google could at least learn something from this attitude, given their recent 03-25 -> 05-06 model alias switcharoo with 0 notice :)

That is a preview / beta model with no expectation of stability. Google did nothing wrong there. No one should be using a preview model in production.

Hard disagree. Of course technically they didn't do anything explicitly against the public guidance (the checks and balances would never let them), but naming a model with a date very strongly implies immutability.

It's the same logic of why UB in C/C++ isn't a license to do whatever the compiler wants. We're humans and we operate on implications, common-sense assumptions and trust.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by sothatsit »

hiatus wrote: post #272
conradev wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was more excited by the process, like, there exists a model out there so powerful it requires KYC which, after using it, fair! It found a zero day

> which, after using it, fair! It found a zero day Source?

Recently, Sean Heelan wrote a post "How I used o3 to find CVE-2025-37899, a remote zeroday vulnerability in the Linux kernel’s SMB implementation". It might be what they are referring to.

Link: https://sean.heelan.io/2025/05/22/how-i-used-o3-to-find-cve-...

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by anshumankmr »

tedsanders wrote: post #162
sschueller wrote: post #132

Has anyone noticed that OpenAI has become "lazy"? When I ask questions now it will not give me a complete file or fix. Instead it tells me what I should do and I need to ask a second or third time to just do the thing I asked. I don't see this happening with for example deepseek. Is it possible they are saving on resources by having it answer that way?

Yeah, our models are sometimes too lazy. It’s not intentional, and future models will be less lazy. When I worked at Netflix I sometimes heard the same speculation about intentionally bad recommendations, which people theorized would lower streaming and increase profit margins. It made even less sense there as streaming costs are usually less than a penny. In reality, it’s just hard to make perfect products! (I work…

That was a problem in GPT 4 Turbo as well...

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jazzyjackson »

leetrout wrote: post #243
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I actually contacted the California AG to get a refund from another AI company after they failed to refund me. The AG office followed up and I got my refund. Worth my time to file because we should stop letting companies get away with this stuff where they show up with more requirements after paying. Separately they also do not need my phone number after having my name, address and credit card. Has anyone got info on…

(having no insider info:) Because it can be used as a primary key ID across aggregated marketing databases including your voting history / party affiliation, income levels, personality and risk profiles etc etc etc. If a company wants to, and your data hygiene hasn't been tip top, your phone number is a pointer to a ton of intimate if not confidential data. Twitter was fined $150 million for asking for phone numbers under pretense of "protecting your account" or whatever but they actually used it for ad targeting.

>> Wednesday's 9th Circuit decision grew out of revelations that between 2013 and 2019, X mistakenly incorporated users' email addresses and phone numbers into an ad platform that allows companies to use their own marketing lists to target ads on the social platform.

>> In 2022, the Federal Trade Commission fined X $150 million over the privacy gaffe.

>> That same year, Washington resident Glen Morgan brought a class-action complaint against the company. He alleged that the ad-targeting glitch violated a Washington law prohibiting anyone from using “fraudulent, deceptive, or false means” to obtain telephone records of state residents.

>> X urged Dimke to dismiss Morgan's complaint for several reasons. Among other arguments, the company argued merely obtaining a user's phone number from him or her doesn't violate the state pretexting law, which refers to telephone “records.”

>> “If the legislature meant for 'telephone record' to include something as basic as the user’s own number, it surely would have said as much,” X argued in a written motion.

https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/405501/None

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by artrockalter »

conradev wrote: post #236
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

I was more excited by the process, like, there exists a model out there so powerful it requires KYC which, after using it, fair! It found a zero day

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Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by 5Qn8mNbc2FNCiVV »

34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

This feels eerily similar to a post I've read a within the last month. Either I'm having a deja vu, it's a coincidence that the same exact story is mentioned or theres something else going on

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by bgwalter »

5Qn8mNbc2FNCiVV wrote: post #278
34679 wrote: post #226

I'd like to offer a cautionary tale that involves my experience after seeing this post. First, I tried enabling o3 via OpenRouter since I have credits with them already. I was met with the following: "OpenAI requires bringing your own API key to use o3 over the API. Set up here: https://openrouter.ai/settings/integrations " So I decided I would buy some API credits with my OpenAI account. I ponied up $20 and started…

This feels eerily similar to a post I've read a within the last month. Either I'm having a deja vu, it's a coincidence that the same exact story is mentioned or theres something else going on

What should be going on? A regular Google search for "openai persona verify organization" shows withpersona.com in the second search result.

Re: OpenAI dropped the price of o3 by 80%

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Post by jazzyjackson »

anshumankmr wrote: post #275
tedsanders wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, our models are sometimes too lazy. It’s not intentional, and future models will be less lazy. When I worked at Netflix I sometimes heard the same speculation about intentionally bad recommendations, which people theorized would lower streaming and increase profit margins. It made even less sense there as streaming costs are usually less than a penny. In reality, it’s just hard to make perfect products! (I work…

That was a problem in GPT 4 Turbo as well...

IMO its just that the models are very nondeterministic, and people get very different kinds of responses from it. I met a number of people who tried it when it first came out and it was just useless so they stopped trying it, other people (including me) got gobsmacking great responses and it felt like AGI was around the corner, but after enough coin flips your luck runs out and you get some lazy responses. Some people have more luck than others and wonder why everyone around them says it's trash.
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