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Re: Android 16 is here

#21

Post by silisili »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #12

I remember my first android device, it had like 512MO of RAM (and storage), and it was blazing fast, it could be used as a WIFI repeater too (which is why I still have it, although it 2.5G...). Fast forward 13 year later or so, if your android device doesn't have at least 8gig of RAM and 64gigs of storage, then it's pretty much useless given how bloated the OS (and the apps) have become... So basically, Android low e…

> I tried a few Android cheap phones recently

IMO that's the big 'problem' with Android - any fly by night company can make a phone with it, which sours those people on Android as a whole and rightfully so. They may not understand that it's not Android itself that is awful, but the low spec'd phone or 'enhancements' some company added.

Higher end Android phones generally don't have any of these problems at all. I can't even remember the last time mine had something crash or had to restart. I generally stick to high end Moto, Pixel, or Oneplus(current). Some people like Samsung but their skin/os is too heavy handed for me.

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by MostlyStable »

esseph wrote: post #14
throw_m239339 wrote: post #12

I remember my first android device, it had like 512MO of RAM (and storage), and it was blazing fast, it could be used as a WIFI repeater too (which is why I still have it, although it 2.5G...). Fast forward 13 year later or so, if your android device doesn't have at least 8gig of RAM and 64gigs of storage, then it's pretty much useless given how bloated the OS (and the apps) have become... So basically, Android low e…

The same thing that happens to every OS, features and bloat. That said, Pixel devices all the way. No gross UI reskin, no having multiple copies of the same type of app (Samsung camera vs android camera, dialers, keyboards, etc.). Fast, stable, good features. If it's not a pixel device, you're probably going to have a "mid" experience.

Which is unfortunate, because one of the strengths of Android was the diversity of the hardware ecosystem (although that strength has been lessening as manufacturers have all begun to converge on a common set of hardware features). You could get a phone that had the features you in particular wanted. Needing to buy a particular phone to get a good experience is a bummer.

I say that as someone who has had several Pixel phones (and Nexus before that) and been happy with them. But yeah, my most recent phone is a low-end Motorola that I picked specifically for a set of hardware features, but unfortunately, as the parent commenter describes, it has been a _terrible_ experience for a variety of reasons. I got the hardware features I wanted (mostly, no one makes the full set I want anymore, see above), and it turns out that I had to give up a halfway-decent software experience.

Re: Android 16 is here

#23

Post by paxys »

I like their Material Expressive design a lot more now after Apple's big reveal. While it's still a bit too colorful and whimsical for my liking, it does stay much closer to what I think should be the top UX design ideal - be clear, legible, and get out of the way. On the new iOS every screen feels like some UX designer is shouting "look how amazing I am at this!!" at me.

Re: Android 16 is here

#24

Post by paxys »

silisili wrote: post #21
throw_m239339 wrote: post #12

I remember my first android device, it had like 512MO of RAM (and storage), and it was blazing fast, it could be used as a WIFI repeater too (which is why I still have it, although it 2.5G...). Fast forward 13 year later or so, if your android device doesn't have at least 8gig of RAM and 64gigs of storage, then it's pretty much useless given how bloated the OS (and the apps) have become... So basically, Android low e…

> I tried a few Android cheap phones recently IMO that's the big 'problem' with Android - any fly by night company can make a phone with it, which sours those people on Android as a whole and rightfully so. They may not understand that it's not Android itself that is awful, but the low spec'd phone or 'enhancements' some company added. Higher end Android phones generally don't have any of these problems at all. I can…

It's a problem that 95% of the world can afford to purchase a smartphone with a modern OS?

Re: Android 16 is here

#25

Post by pier25 »

paxys wrote: post #23

I like their Material Expressive design a lot more now after Apple's big reveal. While it's still a bit too colorful and whimsical for my liking, it does stay much closer to what I think should be the top UX design ideal - be clear, legible, and get out of the way . On the new iOS every screen feels like some UX designer is shouting "look how amazing I am at this!!" at me.

Couldn't agree more. Quite a fall from grace by Apple.

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by pjmlp »

Great, another version that my devices won't get.

Currently stuck between 12 and 14, and really there is hardly any reason to update.

For technical stuff, better check here, https://developer.android.com/about/versions/16/summary

And the promised WebGPU for Java and Kotlin, discussed at Vulkanised 2025 apparently didn't made the cut to Android 16.

Re: Android 16 is here

#27

Post by rawling »

echelon wrote: post #16
flyinghamster wrote: post #5

Oh great, I get to learn how to use my phone all over again. We need a "leave this the $EXPLETIVE alone" setting for our user interfaces.

I wish we had a dozen phone companies instead of just two. Please write your legislators and demand antitrust action against Apple and Google for the following: - Lack of One-Tap Web Installs (without scare walls or buried settings menus). This is the biggest stranglehold they have. Web installs can be done safely and securely via app signing, permissions, and signature blacklists. - First-party defaults for all the…

> - First-party defaults for all the platform pieces: Messaging, Payments, Photos, Music, Media, Navigation, etc. Every single one of these lets Apple and Google squeeze another industry and forces us into a pit of no-innovation.

Don't/can't Android manufacturers provide alternative defaults here?

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by resource_waste »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #12

I remember my first android device, it had like 512MO of RAM (and storage), and it was blazing fast, it could be used as a WIFI repeater too (which is why I still have it, although it 2.5G...). Fast forward 13 year later or so, if your android device doesn't have at least 8gig of RAM and 64gigs of storage, then it's pretty much useless given how bloated the OS (and the apps) have become... So basically, Android low e…

>I tried a few Android cheap phones recently... they are simply unresponsive

I got $100 motorolas and outside of snapchat and the keyboard being responsive, it did the job for months.

I was a bit impressed.

I no longer am afraid to break my expensive phone because those worked in the short term.

Re: Android 16 is here

#29

Post by jonah »

nsriv wrote: post #2

Factory images here: https://developers.google.com/android/images

From that page:

Warning: The May 2025 update for Pixel 6 (6, 6 Pro, 6a) and Pixel 8 (8, 8 Pro, 8a) devices contains a bootloader update that increments the anti-roll back version for the bootloader. This prevents the device from rolling back to previous vulnerable versions of the bootloader. After flashing the May 2025 update on these devices you won't be able to flash and boot older Android 15 builds.

Re: Android 16 is here

#30

Post by _ea1k »

rawling wrote: post #27
echelon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish we had a dozen phone companies instead of just two. Please write your legislators and demand antitrust action against Apple and Google for the following: - Lack of One-Tap Web Installs (without scare walls or buried settings menus). This is the biggest stranglehold they have. Web installs can be done safely and securely via app signing, permissions, and signature blacklists. - First-party defaults for all the…

> - First-party defaults for all the platform pieces: Messaging, Payments, Photos, Music, Media, Navigation, etc. Every single one of these lets Apple and Google squeeze another industry and forces us into a pit of no-innovation. Don't/can't Android manufacturers provide alternative defaults here?

Yes, and most people hate it when they do that.
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