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Authoritarianism is the umbrella term describing the behaviour of both fascist states and various others. AFAIK all fascist states have been authoritarian - but it’s a common outcome anytime the people running the government are replaced en masse.

The tyranny of the majority is another, often overlooked form of authoritarianism.

As is the tyranny of the minority.

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Why not? We don’t know his motivations for political donations. At the very least it might be worth questioning what he found appealing about each candidate’s view of NASA and leadership. But an outright disqualification over this? Should we pull up voter records and see which party’s primary each person participated in? I’d strongly prefer a society where agency leaders are picked for their expertise, not party alle…

> I’d strongly prefer a society where agency leaders are picked for their expertise, not party allegiance. Me too of course, but it’s not even about that. I could understand if they chose someone because he is competent and republican. What triggers me is the kind of snake this man is, if the Chinese offered him money to reveal secrets and he thinks he can get away with, I have no doubt he would collaborate. You need…

You are right about him being a snake. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to offer secrets to Chinese for money, so doubt that would ever happen. Do you want to be triggered more? You are right about the trust issue and you will have more trust issues after watching some of this https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-arqxBG7bIl63KZ6VwKH... Read the source material though if you want to get any actual insights.

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It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

he appointed him, and it saves the taxpayer money...

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It's wild that a president can say, "I don't like Elon anymore, so out of retaliation, I'm canceling all his government contracts," and ~40% of the country doesn't see that as corruption in any way, shape, or form. Government contracts should not be based on whether or not the president likes the CEO, and the CEO says enough good things about the president. If you can cancel contacts not based on merit, then it shoul…

Agreed. It's also wild that someone who was a major contributor to the election campaign and a major advisor to the president now declares "well, the president is a pedophile" and nobody bats an eye either. I mean, Musk supporters now have to believe Musk knowingly supported a pedophile but only turned against him after he had a falling out for unrelated reasons? In the eyes of his supporters, what does this say abou…

theoretically he might have discovered this after he had paid for Trump's win. I despise the guy but it's entirely possible that he was blind to the publicly available evidence before seeing the secret evidence.

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Yes. He's insinuating that the only reason you would dislike musk is sure to his association with trump. He's also insinuating that people who dislike trump just like the opposite of what trump like, so that is trump dislikes musk then they musk like him. He's just a troll.

the left loved musk until he started helping trump

Have you never heard the expression that the friends of your enemies are your enemies? Strange.

Anyway I've despised that guy since the Thai cave episode. Don't know if I'm "the left" tho.

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By 1998 the shit had already hit the fan big time for the common people in Russia, all "thanks" to Shock Therapy (which you allude to at your point b)). That was the real tragedy, nothing a more "experienced" president could have fixed (other than doing what Putin ended up doing, which is trying to reverse some of the craziness of said Shock Therapy). I write this from direct experience, as I grew up as a kid/adolesc…

So you want to reverse the development in Romania over the last 3 decades [1] ? I agree that the way the transition from the Ceauşescu regime was handled was less than ideal to say the least. But let's not forget that rampant nationalism and isolism was what got Romania into the mess in the first ace. I would even argue that every time a government/regime is bringing out the nationalism card it is to cover up for ris…

> So you want to reverse the development in Romania over the last 3 decades [1]

Not sure that "reverse" is the best word for it, but, yes, I want the huge societal inequalities that have been created during the last three decades to be "levelled" again. I know that this will probably suck (to use light language) for the winners of those last 3 decades, but that is life.

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If the founders thought it was so important the President not have immunity from all crimes they would have written it such rather than leaving it to interpretation.

That the opposite of how laws work..

Opposite of common law, but exactly how the Constitution works.

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I figure that's intended as a "gotcha", but a hallmark of any autocracy, fascism included, is the factional fights and purges. And few understand, but being an early supporter of fascism actually increases one's statistical chances of ngmi.

i translated this to boomernese and it still didn't make sense. Could I ask you to rephrase it?

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For what it's worth, the way you've phrased this question doesn't sound like you want to discuss any of these issues. It sounds like you have bones to pick with what people have said and want to argue about it.

Yes. He's insinuating that the only reason you would dislike musk is sure to his association with trump. He's also insinuating that people who dislike trump just like the opposite of what trump like, so that is trump dislikes musk then they musk like him. He's just a troll.

i agree with the first part, but how does that make me a troll? It is peculiar.

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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the left loved musk until he started helping trump

Have you never heard the expression that the friends of your enemies are your enemies? Strange. Anyway I've despised that guy since the Thai cave episode. Don't know if I'm "the left" tho.

Despising Elon is acceptable. He's cringy . but is he a fascist? that's the absurd part.
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