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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by dominicrose »

5mv2 wrote: post #19

The featured accuracy benchmarks exclude every model that matter except DeepSeek, which is quite telling about this new model's performance. This makes it yet another example of European companies building great products but fumbling marketing. Mistral's edge is speed. It's a real pleasure to use because it answers in ~1s what takes other models 5-8s, which makes for a much better experience. But instead of focusing…

How would you use a fast AI?

My current use of AI is to generate code - or translate some code from a programming language to another - which I can then improve (instead of writing it from stratch). Speed isn't necessary for this. It's a nice-to-have but only if it's not at the cost of quality.

Also, as unfair as it "might" be, we do expect a fast AI not to be as good, don't we? So I wouldn't focus on that in the marketing. I think speed would be easier to sell as something extra you would pay for, because then you'd expect the quality to remain the same or better.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by Gregaros »

lee-rhapsody wrote: post #61
NicuCalcea wrote: post #45

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As a journalist, same!

Also a journalist. I use em-dashes all the time

Really anyone that writes for a living. I have a referee report on a paper asking me to correct something to be an em-dash.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by pdabbadabba »

melicerte wrote: post #35
pu_pe wrote: post #11

Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.

If you look at Mistral investors[0], you will quickly understand that Mistral is far from being European. My understanding is it is mainly owned by US companies with a few other companies from EU and other places in the world. [0] https://tracxn.com/d/companies/mistral-ai/__SLZq7rzxLYqqA97j... (edited for typo)

For the purposes of GP's comment, I think the nationalities of the people actually running the company and doing the work are more relevant than who has invested.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by dmos62 »

moralestapia wrote: post #26
dmos62 wrote: post #24

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It is fairly common to struggle to understand why different cultures think the way they do.

Ugh. Edit: Parent changed their comment significantly, from something quite unpleasant to what it is now. I'm not deleting my comment as I'm not that kind of person.

I did. I initially said that Europeans often struggle to understand other cultures too. Which was an immature way to point out that the cultural dissonance works both ways. I realized that I was obfuscating my point and rewrote my comment to be clearer, but now that you gave me a chance to think on it some more, I wish I would have said what I wanted to say more directly still.

What I wanted to say is: I like EU's regulation and I find it interesting how other people have different world views.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

saubeidl wrote: post #46
vikramkr wrote: post #38

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If you close off the market to US tech giants, maybe they'll have some amount of market dominance at home, but I would doubt that would mean they've "caught up" tech wise. There would be no incentive to compete. American EV manufacturing is pretty far behind Chinese EV manufacturing, protectionism didn't help make a competitive car, it just protected the home market while slowly ceding international market after inte…

As a counterexample, China's tech industry has caught up and in some ways surpassed the US, partially due to being closed off.

But also due to the U.S. driving away smart people from the U.S. to China.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by segmondy »

pu_pe wrote: post #11

Benchmarks suggest this model loses to Deepseek-R1 in every one-shot comparison. Considering they were likely not even pitting it against the newer R1 version (no mention of that in the article) and at more than double the cost, this looks like the best AI company in the EU is struggling to keep up with the state-of-the-art.

are you really going to compare a 24B model to a 700B+ model?

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by derektank »

pdabbadabba wrote: post #84
melicerte wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at Mistral investors[0], you will quickly understand that Mistral is far from being European. My understanding is it is mainly owned by US companies with a few other companies from EU and other places in the world. [0] https://tracxn.com/d/companies/mistral-ai/__SLZq7rzxLYqqA97j... (edited for typo)

For the purposes of GP's comment, I think the nationalities of the people actually running the company and doing the work are more relevant than who has invested.

And, perhaps most relevantly, the regulatory environment the people are working in. French people working in America are probably more productive than French people working in France (if for no other reason because they probably work more hours in America than France).

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #75
baq wrote: post #54

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Money. No, really - EU doesn't have the VCs and the megacorps. People laugh at EU sponsoring projects, but there is no private money to sponsor them. There are plenty of US companies with sites in the EU though, so you have people working the problems, but no branding.

Ok, just a quick question… why does Europe not have the money actual/people?

Part of the answer is debt.

The U.S. has a debt of 35Tn. The entire EU around 16Tn.

If even 10% of the debt difference was invested in tech that would have meant about $2tn more in investment in EU tech.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by MoonGhost »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #59
atemerev wrote: post #15

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"EU is leading in regulation", they say. I don't know what they are thinking.

Honestly the US approach to AI is incredibly irresponsible. As an American, I'm glad that someone somewhere is thinking about regulation. Not sure it will be enough though: https://xcancel.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1922710969785917691#m

No, thanks, we don't want to be like EU. Everything regulated to death. They even thought to criminalize street photography because there could be copyrighted materials in the picture. Not sure, are they still taxing Eiffel tower images?
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