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Endangered classic Mac plastic color returns as 3D-printer filament

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Re: Endangered classic Mac plastic color returns as 3D-printer filament

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Here's what the foreword to Keep It Simple https://arnoldsche.com/en/vergriffen/keep-it-simple/ https://archive.org/details/keepitsimpleearl0000essl/ says about the Platinum colour, also known as Snow White: > Esslinger had been working with Steve Jobs since 1982 and was of paramount importance for the look of Apple products as an external designer -—as of 1983 also as Corporate Manager of Design. The start of collab…

I know this book is a first hand account from Esslinger himself, but aside from your quoted passage, I've never seen Snow White refer to a specific color, only to the design language itself. Even the other mentions of Snow White in his book refer to the design language, not a color.

The first product to feature the Snow White design language was the Apple IIc, which featured a color known as "Fog" which is distinct from the Platinum used in Apple's products from 1986-1999. For a good side-by-side comparison, check out this image of an original Apple IIc (1984) and the Apple IIc Plus (1988): https://i0.wp.com/lowendmac.com/wp-content/uploads/iic-and-i...

Re: Endangered classic Mac plastic color returns as 3D-printer filament

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Here's what the foreword to Keep It Simple https://arnoldsche.com/en/vergriffen/keep-it-simple/ https://archive.org/details/keepitsimpleearl0000essl/ says about the Platinum colour, also known as Snow White: > Esslinger had been working with Steve Jobs since 1982 and was of paramount importance for the look of Apple products as an external designer -—as of 1983 also as Corporate Manager of Design. The start of collab…

I know this book is a first hand account from Esslinger himself, but aside from your quoted passage, I've never seen Snow White refer to a specific color, only to the design language itself. Even the other mentions of Snow White in his book refer to the design language, not a color. The first product to feature the Snow White design language was the Apple IIc, which featured a color known as "Fog" which is distinct f…

Thanks, I was scratching my head wondering why anyone would confuse Snow White (the design language) and Platinum (the plastic shade of 80s-90s Apple devices)

Re: Endangered classic Mac plastic color returns as 3D-printer filament

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The people in the retro community do not require these machines to perform all their tasks. They're not filing their taxes with a Macintosh LC III. They have modern computers! This allows old computers to be appreciated very differently. And retro enthusiasts will often love a machine because it is such a bad machine. It gives it a different appeal, its history and poor reception part of its charm. Ultimately, they'r…

If you’re driving around in your 1971 Ford Thunderbird and the vacuum line fails, making it so your headlights doors are stuck closed, that would have been super annoying in 1977 as you were driving home in the evening. In 2025 it’s just “the charm of owning a classic car”. Instead of an annoyance, you might think of it as having a unique and endearing quirk.

You illustrated so eloquently what I was trying to say!

Re: Endangered classic Mac plastic color returns as 3D-printer filament

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> The PLA filament (PLA is short for polylactic acid) allows hobbyists to 3D-print nostalgic novelties, replacement parts, and accessories that match the original color of vintage Apple computers. > Over time, original Macintosh plastics have become brittle and discolored with age, so matching the "original" color can be a somewhat challenging and subjective experience. So it seems like the color is for 3D-printing s…

> or can you just leave it out in the sun for a couple weeks or something? I actually don't know if there's a good source for this, but I've heard that the yellow discoloration caused by UV rays actually happens because of the specific way that window glass is filtering the UV spectrum unevenly; that would at least partly explain why retrobrighting, where you literally put things out in the sun or expose them to UV-C…

Usually they leave it in the sun with retrobrite applied (which I believe is pretty much just hydrogen peroxide)

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> or can you just leave it out in the sun for a couple weeks or something? I actually don't know if there's a good source for this, but I've heard that the yellow discoloration caused by UV rays actually happens because of the specific way that window glass is filtering the UV spectrum unevenly; that would at least partly explain why retrobrighting, where you literally put things out in the sun or expose them to UV-C…

Usually they leave it in the sun with retrobrite applied (which I believe is pretty much just hydrogen peroxide)

Yeah. I've done this a few times with plain old hydrogen peroxide. However, I also really do wonder if the hydrogen peroxide is even needed... it seems to help, but it's unclear. It's frustrating how unscientific retrobrighting is; it clearly works but it's so weirdly spotty that it's hard to conclude anything, with effort it usually works to some degree but when it does and doesn't work is a mystery (and people often mistake accidentally bleaching the parts for success, which muddies things even worse.)

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If Jobs didn't come back and run Apple the way he did, it is very likely that Apple wouldn't exist today. They were on a tailspin to destruction. That's my take.

Both things can be true. And by the way, Microsoft saved them with a $150M injection. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/29/steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-wh...

You're oversimplifying and missing the forest for the trees. By the time the checks cleared with the money in Apple's coffers, it was not needed to keep the company solvent. Jobs had shut down enough departments, and brought the company into one P&L statement, to reverse the finances of the company.

The deal saved Apple because Microsoft committed to Office and IE on the Mac for five more years. That showed enough support to give confidence for consumers and institutions to keep buying Macs. When the five years were over, the iPod was out and Microsoft couldn't afford to leave the Mac.

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I'm not sure if there's any material limitation to it, but every PETG roll I've used has come out with a very glossy finish, which is probably not what you want here.

Matte PETG is available. No affiliation, but: https://californiafilament.com/collections/new . Great when you want the properties of PETG but not the shiny plastic look, e.g. printing things for car interiors. Like GP I'd also love to see this filament in PETG.

Bear in mind, this stuff is not easy to print!

Re: Endangered classic Mac plastic color returns as 3D-printer filament

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Something that has been kind of funny for me, perhaps others are feeling this way: I see increasingly this "retro computing community" fawning over machines that I think of as ... just machines that I used once. Some of the machines were even kind of scorned at the time as I recall — now they're sought after, lovingly restored.... I don't know if my reaction is as one who is being made aware of just how old they are…

Yeah, it's kind of weird. I had a 386 with 4MB RAM and am not the least nostalgic about it. In fact damn near everything about that machine was limiting and something I couldn't wait to replace with something newer. I even didn't care for the beige color schemes of the day -- I remember going for the brushed aluminium case way back because I was excited it wasn't freaking beige. Watching some of the channels though I…

I, too, am not the least bit nostalgic about the 486, Pentium, Pentium Pro, Pentium II, and later machines that I owned.

I think for me it's that they are too much the direct ancestors of current machines. There's basically zero software from that era nor any modern software written for these machines that really cares all that much about bus timings or cycle counting. It runs just as well or even better on modern machines in an emulator.

I'm not a big gamer, but even if I play later-1990s era EGA/VGA games on a modern PC, it feels basically normal to me.

I am nostalgic about machines older than that, particularly the mid-to-late 1980s machines that I grew up with. I now have decades of experience writing software. Even though I don't do much with hardware in my day job, I do know my way around hardware interfaces. I can read schematics and chip data sheets and know how to make it work. And what's nice about these machines is that many of them came with schematics and hardware register descriptions. Even if the paper is lost to time, someone has scanned them in and put them on the internet.

So I like to tinker with them. I like making them do things I wished I could do 35-40 years ago. I especially like when I can do it with pure software. Once such example is a DOS driver I wrote to make Tandy ROM drives accessible to (newer) non-Tandy DOS versions. https://github.com/dfelliott/tandy1000-romdrive

I had a 1000 TL I think I got probably late 1988 or early 1989. Back then I had a 40 MB hard card and it had to be partitioned because of DOS's 32 MB limit. When I upgraded to DOS 5 in 1991, literally going to the store the day it came out, I was dismayed to find I could no longer run Deskmate which was one of the main reasons to own a Tandy.

A few years ago I bought another one (my old one sadly bit the dust in a natural disaster) and went to work on fixing the problem. The journey was fun, and so was the end result. I finally got what I wanted, a machine running Deskmate and other software on DOS 5.

Coupled with my "sci-fi" Gotek I now have a machine that does a really good job of behaving like a machine of that era, because it is a machine of that era, running my old games with Tandy graphics and sound exactly how they ran back then. And I have real nostalgia for these games. There's something neat about what could be done with hardware of that era.

Emulation is just not quite the same. There's something about the CGA rasters on the tube that just feels right.

Plus, even though the machine bit the dust, I still have my old floppies, which I've started reading in with a Greaseweazle.

The Gotek doesn't really detract from the experience, it just takes away the drudgery of dealing with actual floppies and avoids wearing down what little is left of them.

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