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I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Take a look at these books: - David Ludwig, Always Hungry? - Mark Hyman, The Blood Sugar Solution The first one is very accessible, the second one very posh. But the underlying approach is the same: no calorie counting, just good food in the right proportions.

Good food in the right proportions is necessary, but not sufficient. The total amount of food is at least as important. I eat only good food in the right proportions. However, it would be enough to double the amount of the food that I eat at one meal, for the next day to see a few hundred grams of additional weight. I must plan the amount of food to be eaten before starting to eat. Otherwise, I could eat effortlessly…

Well, I simplified.

I said "no calorie counting", not "eat as much as you please". And by "right proportions" in those books they mean something specific: roughly 50% fat, 25% proteins, 25% carbs, plus a balanced mix of different fats, slow carbs, etc.

The laws of thermodynamics obviously hold for nutrition as for any other phenomena. In order to lose wait you have to eat less, no question about that. But the idea is that it's much easier to directly control what you eat than how much you eat. And by following those diets it's allegedly easier to eat the right amount.

I absolutely believe your method works. As for me, I've experienced that since I changed my diet as per the above recommendations, I'm not hungry two hours after each meal anymore.

tayo42 asked for something less tedious than counting calories, so I suggested they take a look at an alternative approach which has benefited me, and in my opinion is well argued.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Also, do you mind dropping the sarcasm and explaining why you believe MyFitnessPal might be superior to ChatGPT in the usage I’m suggesting?

You're offloading understanding what you're eating to a sentence generating algorithm. You might as well just eat Soylent if you're going to use an LLM for nutrition tracking.

Please desist from counterproductive discussion.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Cool, it can replace myfitnesspal features from 10 years ago, but do them worse. Revolutionary.

No, I find that app cumbersome. To respond to others’ comments, I tend to eat whole foods. I don’t eat TV dinner or shop at Costco or such places.

What does shopping at Costco have to do with anything? They sell lots of "whole foods". Tons (literally) of fresh raw protein, veg, grains, etc.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Calorie counting is so unreliable it hardly even matters. The calorie measurements are way off. There are so many sources of macronutrients and they are all digested differently and lead to so many different amounts of "Fuel" for the body. Just the different types of carbohydrates are bad enough. An actually accurate food label would look like the spec sheet for a 5th generation fighter jet.

This doesn't even take into account the variations in the human body. Some people digest different types of foods better than others. Then there are the gut microbiomes of each individual. By the time you get done, if you have counted 2000 calories you could be off by 25% or more.

The big advantage that makes calorie counting work is that it makes people actually think about what they are eating.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Is the em-dash ever "necessary"? It was beloved by nerds on the internet long before there was any whisper of LLMs on the internet. What do you think chatbots are imitating if not humans who also use it?

It was only ever inserted by word processors for me. No one typing with a regular keyboard would ever bother, certainly not with the HN input box.

> It was only ever inserted by word processors for me.

Surely you still intended to type an em-dash if this happened—word on windows (as I presume you intend to refer to with 'word processors') only replaces '--' with '—'.

>No one typing with a regular keyboard would ever bother, certainly not with the HN input box.

You press 'option', 'shift', and '-' (on a mac with the default US english layout, anyway). Why would you assume nobody would use a basic element of writing (in English, at least)? It's just a long-press on the iphone.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Is the em-dash ever "necessary"? It was beloved by nerds on the internet long before there was any whisper of LLMs on the internet. What do you think chatbots are imitating if not humans who also use it?

I never saw a human use it in something different from literature. That's where I think the chatbots got it.

> I never saw a human use it in something different from literature.

This is nuts! Do you not read much prose written by other humans?

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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What’s interesting to me is a tool can be terrible at its stated problem and still add value. I suspect many of the results dieters get is “mere measurement”, e.g. it helps them be more thoughtful, seek education, etc. So the value of the tool is in its ability to keep them engaged and hopeful (the unstated need), and the actual mechanic doesn’t have to be that good at the stated need.

It’s the ‘What gets measured gets managed’ truism - but does it hold true is your measurement is BS?

It’s slightly different- the act of responding itself changes behavior, regardless of any outcome:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12064450/#:~:text=T...

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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No, I find that app cumbersome. To respond to others’ comments, I tend to eat whole foods. I don’t eat TV dinner or shop at Costco or such places.

What does shopping at Costco have to do with anything? They sell lots of "whole foods". Tons (literally) of fresh raw protein, veg, grains, etc.

I associate it with pre-packaged food. My mistake. I’ve only been there once.
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