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Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by anovikov »

throwaway290 wrote: post #346
wiseowise wrote: post #296

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Of course not. That's why I've provided an alternative – grind.

I try to avoid meds usually but sometimes gotta wonder if people who flag+kill comments about GLP or steroids are just thin and buff people who lucked out on genetic lottery and secretly want to maintain their superiority. Like why, gene editing a baby is okay but if your gene expression sucks and your parents couldn't afford crispr you now are to suffer the entire life from body dysphoria and bringing up an easy way…

I think deep inside of people, the truly miraculous drugs like GLP-1 are subconsciously rejected because they are seen as an attempt to cheat God.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by wiseowise »

throwaway290 wrote: post #346
wiseowise wrote: post #296

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Of course not. That's why I've provided an alternative – grind.

I try to avoid meds usually but sometimes gotta wonder if people who flag+kill comments about GLP or steroids are just thin and buff people who lucked out on genetic lottery and secretly want to maintain their superiority. Like why, gene editing a baby is okay but if your gene expression sucks and your parents couldn't afford crispr you now are to suffer the entire life from body dysphoria and bringing up an easy way…

> Like why, gene editing a baby is okay but if your gene expression sucks and your parents couldn't afford crispr you now are to suffer the entire life from body dysphoria and bringing up an easy way out is to be silenced or stigmatized?

Because when I do it – it is Gods gift/destiny/I deserve this/whatever other bullshit reason to maintain my edge, when you do it – it is because you're weak/just train like others do/you don't deserve it/whatever other bullshit reason why it is your natural place to be there.

There was a comment recently how it is "cringe" when you're investing in your looks and learn how to date, because apparently if you weren't born with innate ability to attract – you're supposed to stay this way and be miserable forever.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by throwaway290 »

anovikov wrote: post #173
chickenzzzzu wrote: post #3

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I'd rather not fry my kidneys. Have muscle problem, just take steroids?

Ironically, GLP-1 causes a great improvement in kidney and liver function too, and studies are ongoing for a multitude of other weight-unrelated (as well as related) diseases. Everyone should be on it. Benefits for non-overweight people with no addictions are rather marginal but there are almost no downsides.

I just noticed that OP actually noted GLP in a later comment.

Just more evidence that HN downvotes/flags often mean actually you're right and people just feel too butthurt about it.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by hiAndrewQuinn »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #86
cenamus wrote: post #58

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Eat only every other day? Fast one week on and off? All entirely possible.

Do you have friends or family? This is a ridiculous proposal for 99.9% of people.

See, that's the real mental fat trap in my experience. Nobody's actually going to force feed you if you simply turn down food or eating.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by hiAndrewQuinn »

Many people here are talking about what they percieve as the systematic issues that prevent them from losing weight. I no longer buy any of this, because I moved from the US to Europe a few years ago and have since gained around 10 kg.

No amount of public transit-friendly infrastructure is going to stop me from putting more food in my mouth than I need at any given time. No belief that cooking needs to be an hour long affair or it's worthless is going to change the fact that I can cook a week's worth of lentils in a rice cooker with 5 minutes of prep time on a Sunday. 5 more minutes gets me a week's worth of boiled eggs.

Rather, I think most people are incentivized to make themselves look good, and want to chatter about conspiracy theories as to why their lives secretly suck. I can understand this, I'm liable of both of these myself in the same way. But at the end of the day, I am fat because I chose over a long period of time to put more food into my body than I needed, and the way I get out of being fat is by putting in less. When I reach a healthy weight the mission changes to a much easier, match caloric income with caloric expenses.

Focusing my efforts on that simple fact is the only way I have ever successfully lost weight. The theories are fun, in the same way quantum physics is fun even though 99.9% of what we do in everyday electromagnetics is in the boring house that Maxwell built.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by msgodel »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #365

Many people here are talking about what they percieve as the systematic issues that prevent them from losing weight. I no longer buy any of this, because I moved from the US to Europe a few years ago and have since gained around 10 kg. No amount of public transit-friendly infrastructure is going to stop me from putting more food in my mouth than I need at any given time. No belief that cooking needs to be an hour lon…

I actually lost about 30 lbs after moving out of the city back to the rural town I grew up in where I have to drive everywhere. Taking care of yourself is about your attitude/worldview and I think the attitude city living encourages makes that harder.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by abirch »

birksherty wrote: post #282
abirch wrote: post #76

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I love Dr Jason Fung. His position is that our current system focuses on calories and not eating all the time, not avoiding processed foods, being insulin insensitive, and eating real food. Here's a good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmFEb0b0TI His hypothesis is that having high levels of insulin is the issue. People need to remember that being insulin resistant and being overweight are chronic conditions.…

In India, most people don't take huge junk food. They still get diabetes because of calorie heavy food and eating all time without letting the stomach get empty even for a minute. It's the food addiction. People can't stop eating just like alcohol, cigarette or drugs.

I agree we shouldn't eat all the time. That's what was in my comment.

Quick question, in addition to eating all of the time do they eat processed foods like I mentioned in my comment? Examples include soda, white rice, flour (Naan), etc. https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/curbing-indias-ult...

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by nh23423fefe »

timcobb wrote: post #350
nh23423fefe wrote: post #300

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But no one needs to eat above BMR? Eat whatever you want but control the portion. Who is shoving food down your throat for years on end?

Millions of years of evolution.

evolution makes food taste good. society creates status games to regulate this behavior?

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by hollerith »

const_cast wrote: post #342
hollerith wrote: post #305

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>no-brainer Many experts including cardiologists maintain that the current mainstream protocols for statin drugs do more harm than good.

Some* experts, and frankly I really doubt their perspective because it's all a risk management thing. It's not that statins are good for you, it's that heart disease is the number 1 killer in the US and surgery is very risky. If we're able to better control cholesterol and hypertension without invasive methods that's very good. Also GLP-1s lower cholesterol too. So it's possibly statins will be going out a bit out of…

The statin skeptics all have protocols to address heart disease. It's not like they are advocating doing nothing about the risk.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Post by const_cast »

hollerith wrote: post #369
const_cast wrote: post #342

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Some* experts, and frankly I really doubt their perspective because it's all a risk management thing. It's not that statins are good for you, it's that heart disease is the number 1 killer in the US and surgery is very risky. If we're able to better control cholesterol and hypertension without invasive methods that's very good. Also GLP-1s lower cholesterol too. So it's possibly statins will be going out a bit out of…

The statin skeptics all have protocols to address heart disease. It's not like they are advocating doing nothing about the risk.

They do to an extent, but the things they recommend are also recommended by cardiologists who prescribe statins. I mean, lifestyle and diet is going to be the first words out of a cardiologist's mouth when you see them and you have high cholesterol.

The reality, I think, is that that is just not a very effective treatment plan for a lot of people.

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