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I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Sure six shots are 550 calories. But who drinks six shots of gin? You need to also include all the mixers as well and they're usually all sugar

> But who drinks six shots of gin? Haha, I'm from almost-eastern-europe, so pretty much all drinkers I know. (Actually "Borovička" is the most popular. It is not gin, but somewhat similar to gin.) But I mean, when someone is trying to reduce calorie intake, they don't consume whatever they want to. They need to make some concessions. So instead of a fancy cocktail or a bottle of wine, you can drink some vodka (provid…

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Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I started using an AI calorie tracking app. For non-branded foods, the calorie counting is pretty inaccurate and sometimes very off. However, having an app that can track pictures and create short descriptions that someone else (my trainer) can easily review has been pretty helpful.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I have faith that ML can approximate calories from images under the following conditions: - The food is inside containers of a standard size, which the model can use as a volumetric reference - Optimally, the containers are clear plastic, for depth approximation - The food is homogenous, or mostly-homogenous. Dishes containing a lot of mixed ingredients seem like an intractable problem to me Now, whether or not abili…

So here’s why that ain’t true. Yoghurt. You can buy zero fat Greek yogurt that has very low sugar. It’s perfect for losing weight. It’s about 50kcals per 100g. And also super high in protein. Or you can buy yoghurt that is full of sugar and is 100kcals per 100g and has lots of fat and hardly any protein. Even a human expert could not tell the difference without tasting them. This is just one example of many.

I wanted to examine this numerically.

* Great Value Original Vanilla Lowfat Yogurt, 32 oz

Serving size 3/4 cup (170g)

1.5g fat

26g carbs (21 of which are sugar)

5g protein

130 kcal

* Great Value Greek Plain Nonfat Yogurt, 32 oz Tub

Serving size 2/3 cup (170g)

7g carbs (7 of which are sugar)

17g protein

100 kcal

* Great Value Light Vanilla Nonfat Yogurt, 32 oz

Serving size 3/4 cup (170g)

15g carbs (12 of which are sugar)

5g protein

80 kcal

If it's only got 50kcal per 100g, then I assume you've got to be relying heavily on indigestible gelling agents to keep the texture reading to the customers as yogurt. I assume that the developer would suggest that a zero-calorie bowl of water and indigestible gelling agents that reads to YOU as yogurt, is not accurately summarized as yogurt, and that this would be a case of user error.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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> seems to be against the concept of calorie counting as a whole too What are peoples criticisms of calorie counting? Its the only thing that keeps my weight from creeping up. There are way to many calorie dense foods that can easily sneak in if im thoughtless. (I want my 20 year old life style back :( )

My unprofessional nutritional advice is: do what works for you! So if that’s calorie counting: great! No need to give it a second thought. But if you are interested in critiques, a fair summary might be: calorie counting is at best extremely imprecise, both on how we measure the calories in food and how we estimate energy expenditure by activities. A little googling should lead to numerous discussions. I really enjoy…

People tend to overestimate the amount of calories they can burn through increased activity or exercise.

Walking a mile will burn about 100 calories, give or take. That's not much. A latte from Starbucks or a "healthy" snack such as a granola bar has more.

Good rule of thumb is that you cannot offset a bad diet with exercise for weight loss. Diet is by far more impactful. Exercise has other benefits though, which I'm not intending to dismiss.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Establishing ground truth for this is not easy. Often the labeled calories on foods are quite inaccurate themselves, based on n=1 bomb calorimetry tests. There are also incentives that may lead to lower than actual reported calories on the label.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I always just assumed these were terrible. There just isn’t enough info in a photo, even for the world’s leading calorie counting expert, to give a sensible estimate of the calories content. Ans even more so for macros. Add to that the fact vision is still pretty crap and you have a complete joke that I can’t believe anyone is paying for.

There is a study somewhere that said people who wanted to lose weight and simply tracked their calories (without any attempt at reducing them) LOST weight vs those who did nothing. Awareness alone is valuable.

Maybe this one: https://today.duke.edu/2019/02/tracking-food-leads-losing-po...

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Calorie tracking is also about educating yourself about how many calories certain things are, so you can make better decisions. Like, oil is insanely caloric and can accidentally add hundreds of calories, but it's nearly impossible to eat too many greens. Once you learn this, then the tracking is just to keep you honest - your brain knows what to do but it lies to you when it wants to bend the rules and those little…

I did Weight Watchers once when I was young. It didn't stick at the time, but it did give me a great deal of perspective that lead to healthy eating and exercise habits that did stick. I worked at Barnes & Noble then, and coming in and realizing that a grande frappuccino wasn't just 'unhealthy' it was all the points. I started reading labels.

Ultimately what worked is what you say, "educating...better decisions" Every diet I tried I concluded the secret sauce was just doing what I already knew - stop eating so much crap and move around more. It was hard yet liberating to get to a point where I wasn't on a diet I was just consciously choosing salads over fries, passing on desert, and not buying junk food so I just don't have it when the compulsion hits. (ADHD meds helped with compulsions, so it wasn't all iron will)

It was like getting sober in a way. I knew, but I also had to want to stop.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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The former - the ultimate goal was to get myself comfortable with eating in a way that would keep me at a stable weight and stick with it. I knew this was going to be the hardest part of the lifestyle change, so I opted for a more difficult up front program to ensure I could focus on that while I lost weight. I think that's something that a lot of people fail to account for when trying to lose weight that ultimately…

Totally agree - and if you track it and do the macros right it doesn't have to be this horrendous experience. Often you feel better!

Yep, that’s one thing I noticed pretty quickly. I had more energy and slept better when I ate a good macro balance and worked out.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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> That or maybe everyone will just except things being slightly more convenient but worse. This is how it will play out. You'll see it in the cost centers. You'll see it in the "I have an idea for an app" pitches. Business people will make these decisions, and consumers will too. { High convenience, High quality, Low cost } - pick two. Software engineering won't evaporate, but there's something new competing with it.

Yeah. I think the analogy with electrical wiring is quite illuminating. Few software errors have a similar risk profile as faulty wiring. Maybe if a calendar or messenger or such is buggy, that's enough of a nuisance to switch, but I doubt a lot of software is this critical. People already put up with plenty of bugs e.g. in games or social networks. Even with paid software, I'm sometimes surprised how much patience c…

I'd be pissed if my washer or dryer or furnace had the same defect rate as any of the software I used. Software "engineering" has an amazing tolerance for oopsies.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I always just assumed these were terrible. There just isn’t enough info in a photo, even for the world’s leading calorie counting expert, to give a sensible estimate of the calories content. Ans even more so for macros. Add to that the fact vision is still pretty crap and you have a complete joke that I can’t believe anyone is paying for.

What’s interesting to me is a tool can be terrible at its stated problem and still add value. I suspect many of the results dieters get is “mere measurement”, e.g. it helps them be more thoughtful, seek education, etc. So the value of the tool is in its ability to keep them engaged and hopeful (the unstated need), and the actual mechanic doesn’t have to be that good at the stated need.

It’s the ‘What gets measured gets managed’ truism - but does it hold true is your measurement is BS?
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