Other than it’s nice not to have your profession taxed, what is the argument that software development shouldn’t be taxed as opposed to all sorts of other white collar work?
Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
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Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#22Maybe we should focus on fixing H1B first?
Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#23Other than it’s nice not to have your profession taxed, what is the argument that software development shouldn’t be taxed as opposed to all sorts of other white collar work?
Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#24Other than it’s nice not to have your profession taxed, what is the argument that software development shouldn’t be taxed as opposed to all sorts of other white collar work?
Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#25What is a software dev expense and why should it be tax deductible?
The way it works today they must amortize it, taking only 20% per year. So they’d owe taxes on $130k of $150k, instead of the more rational $50k of $150k.
This effort is to restore rationality.
Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#26That said, here's my perspective on 174 (which should be reverted to full deduction on the year the expense is incurred).
You do not have to amortize 100% of your engineering costs. Not even close.
Here's the key:
Development costs incurred to remove uncertainty are amortized.
All other costs are deductible during the tax year where they are incurred.
How does this work?You are going to design a new robot arm.
In January, you spend $100K to "remove uncertainty". In rough strokes, this means discovering all the things you don't know and need to know for this robot arm to become a product. This amount will be amortized over five years under 174.
Now, with uncertainty removed, you spend an additional $1.1MM from January until December for engineering implementation. No uncertainty being removed. Just building a product. This is 100% deductible that tax year.
Analogy: You want to build a new brick wall with specific properties. You spend $100K to develop a new type of brick and $1.1MM to build the wall using that brick. The $100K is amortized, the $1.1MM is deductible in one shot.
BTW, at year 6 the amortization schedule reaches steady-state and you are amortizing the full $100K every year. In other words, the impact of 174, if treated intelligently, is the time value of money until steady state is reached for the engineering costs incurred to remove uncertainty.
Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#27Other than it’s nice not to have your profession taxed, what is the argument that software development shouldn’t be taxed as opposed to all sorts of other white collar work?
Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#28I’m all for reverting that part of the tax code, but only on the condition that it’s inapplicable to H-1B visa or foreign worker salaries/payments, provided that employer pays local taxes in those countries for those roles. Keep good paying jobs in the USA. If we need immigrant labor, give them Green Cards instead of precarity.
This was phrased a bit confusingly, at least to me. Can you explain?
Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#29Other than it’s nice not to have your profession taxed, what is the argument that software development shouldn’t be taxed as opposed to all sorts of other white collar work?
It's not a matter of whether it's taxed. It's a matter of how the costs are expensed. If I invest a $1m in software development now, I'm not making any profit yet. I may not make a profit. It's a question over whether I need to pay taxes on potential future profit now.
Re: Tell HN: Help restore the tax deduction for software dev in the US (Section 174)
#30What is a software dev expense and why should it be tax deductible?
My understanding is that previously, software dev salaries would be counted as a business expense in the year they are paid. Now they are amortized over X years on the tax paperwork. As a result, a lot of software companies suddenly show relatively high income, and have a large increase in their tax burden. This is especially hard for startups that were “on the edge” of making it. If the salaries go back to being an expense in the year the salary is paid, the tax burden will decrease again, because apparent company income will be less.