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Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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Re: Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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I'm unable to reproduce the results. Balance is always negative. What's wrong with my code? // for a graph var balances = []; // constants var winnings = 1, losses = -1, epsilon = 0.05; function play(probOfWinning) { return Math.random()

You are playing 100 games of 1 million rounds each.

The graph in the article shows the average state of each round over 1 million games.

Re: Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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Babies are made through love, love is beautiful, ergo babies are beautiful. Q.E.D. (I read the whole post, it was an interesting read)

Extending your discussion, love is nothing but chemicals firing in our brain. Maybe human beings are evolved to trigger release chemicals in the brain when certain conditions are met, which could possibly be deterministic? I agree that each person is different, but we're all same in the same way. Think of the attraction to the opposite sex as a seeded random number. Sure, we don't know the seed but if you know a pers…

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Re: Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extending your discussion, love is nothing but chemicals firing in our brain. Maybe human beings are evolved to trigger release chemicals in the brain when certain conditions are met, which could possibly be deterministic? I agree that each person is different, but we're all same in the same way. Think of the attraction to the opposite sex as a seeded random number. Sure, we don't know the seed but if you know a pers…

Love is "just chemicals" in the same way that anger is "just chemicals". The chemicals are the substrate, but to say that is not very informative. Analogously you also wouldn't say computer software is "just electrons". Beware of "nothing buttery"; reduction is a great thing, but only if we truly understand the reduction (as in, heat is movement of molecules). Re: determinism, I expect the whole process to be non-det…

Indeed. Chemicals are the implementation. That doesn't mean they are the essence.

In fact, I think the design of a thing is closer to its essence than the implementation. Moonlight Sonata is neither just bits, nor just vinyl, nor just vibrating strings. In any implementation, it is Moonlight Sonata. The essence of it is the music, the information, Beethoven's intent and insight.

Love is the same way. Of course consciousness and will are implemented in chemicals. They have to be implemented in something. That does not make them less real.

Re: Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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It didn't seem like much of a paradox to me, since game B is really two different games, and interleaving plays of game A changes the likelihood of playing B1 vs. B2. Interesting, perhaps, but not terribly unintuitive.

Right. When I got to the part about Game B, my first thought was, "Wait, this isn't what you described in the story above..."

What a crock. I think the Monty Hall Problem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem) is far more vexxing and interesting.

Re: Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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Isn't it a little sketchy to have one of the "games" be a game that takes into account outside information like your balanace? Here's another "paradox": Game A: You lose a dollar every time. Game B: If the last game you played was game A, you win a million dollars. Otherwise, you lose a dollar. AAAAAAA... loses, BBBBBBB... loses, but ABABABABA... makes you rich! Suddenly it doesn't seem so paradoxical to me.

But that's not quite the same thing. In your example, you can't play game B independantly :)

Re: Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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Isn't it a little sketchy to have one of the "games" be a game that takes into account outside information like your balanace? Here's another "paradox": Game A: You lose a dollar every time. Game B: If the last game you played was game A, you win a million dollars. Otherwise, you lose a dollar. AAAAAAA... loses, BBBBBBB... loses, but ABABABABA... makes you rich! Suddenly it doesn't seem so paradoxical to me.

But that's not quite the same thing. In your example, you can't play game B independantly :)

Yes you can; you just lose a dollar each time.

Re: Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extending your discussion, love is nothing but chemicals firing in our brain. Maybe human beings are evolved to trigger release chemicals in the brain when certain conditions are met, which could possibly be deterministic? I agree that each person is different, but we're all same in the same way. Think of the attraction to the opposite sex as a seeded random number. Sure, we don't know the seed but if you know a pers…

Love is "just chemicals" in the same way that anger is "just chemicals". The chemicals are the substrate, but to say that is not very informative. Analogously you also wouldn't say computer software is "just electrons". Beware of "nothing buttery"; reduction is a great thing, but only if we truly understand the reduction (as in, heat is movement of molecules). Re: determinism, I expect the whole process to be non-det…

I think you have a fair point. I might have become a bit too overzealous in my argument via reduction. But yes, anger is definitely "just chemicals" in the sense that some people get angry quicker than others.

Again, although I'm forced to concede your second paragraph that there might be some influence by what you've eaten yesterday, I'd like to believe that they're not that large. Because, if that were true everyone who'd eat (for instance) spicy things would constantly be in a state of irritation and anger.

People's temperament, moods, general thoughts might as well be a pre-seeded RNG.

Re: Parrondo's Paradox: How two ugly parents can make a beautiful baby

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Struggling with this one. Help me out: If I play roulette and bet black, red, red, black, red, red, etc., I'm going to win?

With European roulette, you'll win 47.30% of the time. With American roulette, you'll win 44.74% of the time.

The same odds as always choosing black or red.

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