Or maybe it's just the generation that realizes that the supply of oil is finite.
The Cheapest Generation
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#82Myself and many other "millennials" are very reluctant to "buy" such things because they can't. What we can do is go into massive, enslaving, soul-crushing debt for them, something the smart ones are justifiably reluctant to do. Real estate hyperinflation is particularly bad. A house is unthinkable to anyone under 40 unless: a) they've had a liquidity event, inherited money, or have a big trust fund. b) they are will…
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#83I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that 78 hours of minimum wage work could pay the rent in 1980, compared to 109 hours in 2010 [1], along with the other associated cost-of-living increases over the last three decades that have come without comparable increases in wages. I doubt that most people who felt financially secure and could afford a new car wouldn't want to own a new car. Nobody really enjoys drivin…
I can attest to that, I live in the UK, public transport in the north is okay but far from optimal. I wish I could afford my own transport, but my low paying tech job (I'm a 4 year self taught junior developer at a small web development company) can barely pay my rent, let alone afford the ridiculous amounts of money I would have to pay for car insurance (I think I was quoted around £2,100), my driving lessons and a…
One of the qualms I have with English public transport is that over 55's get completely free transport, (I have no issue with them of course) whereas 15 - 21 year olds tend to pay extra in my area, so the people who are only just starting to work in their low paying jobs get charged so that people who have houses fully paid for and receive money every month on their pensions can have it for free.
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#84Myself and many other "millennials" are very reluctant to "buy" such things because they can't. What we can do is go into massive, enslaving, soul-crushing debt for them, something the smart ones are justifiably reluctant to do. Real estate hyperinflation is particularly bad. A house is unthinkable to anyone under 40 unless: a) they've had a liquidity event, inherited money, or have a big trust fund. b) they are will…
I should send this comment to my parents and grandparents the next time they berate me about why I'm not planning on owning a home any time soon and would rather rent and/or mooch off them for as long as possible.
I think the boomers qualify as the most irresponsible generation in history, especially in the USA. Now half of them have no retirement savings and are getting old, fast. Guess who's going to pay for it.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Minimum wage is a silly thing to look at. In 1980, 10% of men and 22% of women earned min wage. In 2010, this fell to 5% and 7%. http://www.statista.com/statistics/185536/share-of-workers-p... Further, a look at hard data (for both the bottom 20% and the middle 20%) shows that people today are more likely to own a car than in 1981, and have more house per person than in 1989 (no data on square footage exists in 1981)…
Earth to Planet Trust Fund: it is the economy. http://livingwage.mit.edu Also look at the ratio of median income to real estate value. We are still in a housing bubble. My household earns about 40% more than the national average, we do not live extravagantly, we budget well, and we feel barely middle class. This is ridiculous. I'm surprised there aren't riots.
If we "feel barely middle class", it's because our expectations and desires have grown faster than our means. It's not because we have less than some historical cohort.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're right about smart phones, but I'm not so sure about housing. Credit is ridiculously cheap, and housing everywhere is on sale. If you have a job, why wouldn't you buy as much house as you can afford?
> If you have a job, why wouldn't you buy as much house as you can afford? Because interest rates are likely to go and then I wouldn't be able to afford that mortgage any more? I'm kinda thinking about buying a house, so I filled in an online mortgage calculator to work out what sort of money i'd have to work with. It said i'd qualify for a mortgage that was twice as high as what I think I need to get somewhere reall…
That said, I suggested buying as much house as you can afford, not for how much they are willing to lend you. That will be different for everyone.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
You may feel fixies are impractical but they carry benefits. The primary one being better power transfer. Second, you can often make a cheap fixie by finding an old frame, refurbishing it, and replacing the rear hub. Yes, you can buy them for $700+ but unlike iPhones, there are a number of ways to obtain one for cheap. Further, a bike that costs less than $200 is certainly not a bike I would buy for commuting. Having…
So, for those of us who know nothing about bikes, why are steel frames suboptimal for commuting?
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#88I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that 78 hours of minimum wage work could pay the rent in 1980, compared to 109 hours in 2010 [1], along with the other associated cost-of-living increases over the last three decades that have come without comparable increases in wages. I doubt that most people who felt financially secure and could afford a new car wouldn't want to own a new car. Nobody really enjoys drivin…
The other reason I own a beater is that I live near a major city and can take public transit to and from work. If my car is going to sit in front of my house most of the time, why pay for a nice one?
Public transportation is much better near cities, and the Millenial generation is the most city-bound American generation ever. Americans in general are migrating to cities, and young people more than most. I think the article grossly underplays the importance of this demographic trend.
I would bet this is a major factor in declining car ownership, AND home ownership--since it is so much easier to find reasonable rent near a city. In small towns and even many suburbs, there are typically few rentals, so you have to purchase if you want to live there. Real estate tends to be more affordable there too.
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#89I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that 78 hours of minimum wage work could pay the rent in 1980, compared to 109 hours in 2010 [1], along with the other associated cost-of-living increases over the last three decades that have come without comparable increases in wages. I doubt that most people who felt financially secure and could afford a new car wouldn't want to own a new car. Nobody really enjoys drivin…
I'm 21, live in New York City, and let my driver's licence lapse over a year ago. I don't plan on owning a house, preferring to drive my surplus wealth into assets I understand better and which don't restrict my mobility, and don't care to own a car. This is not economically motivated - I have comfortable free cash flow and a healthy balance sheet free of personal debt. I pay for a car service and take taxis more tha…
There may be a cultural factor to it as well. I don't find the need to drive everywhere like I did growing in the 90s, but I certainly don't have a ton of income left over for car and fuel (let alone even more debt for a mortgage and the other costs that entails).
My behavior is driven more by economics than culture.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Earth to Planet Trust Fund: it is the economy. http://livingwage.mit.edu Also look at the ratio of median income to real estate value. We are still in a housing bubble. My household earns about 40% more than the national average, we do not live extravagantly, we budget well, and we feel barely middle class. This is ridiculous. I'm surprised there aren't riots.
I'm sorry that stats about what people actually consume disagree with your vague speculation about what stuff should cost. If we "feel barely middle class", it's because our expectations and desires have grown faster than our means. It's not because we have less than some historical cohort.
Think about that for a minute.
Find me a corporation or an entrepreneur who thinks like this. Imagine a CEO saying this to shareholders and the board:
"We didn't make our goals this quarter, and many in our industry also showed reduced sales numbers. It is clear that we need to reduce our expectations. Next quarter's numbers will be lower, and shareholders are just going to have to take a loss."
He'd be out on his ass the next day.
Related to this is the idiotic garbage that the working class are fed by the media: that they should hate people who make good wages and agitate to cut those other peoples' wages down to be in line with their own.
Again, find me a corporation that thinks like this. Apple is currently worth more than Microsoft. Is Microsoft thinking "how can we make them make less money?!?" No. They're thinking "How can we grow? How can we make as much money as Apple is making?"
Unbelievable.
You realize that you're being sold into fiefdom on the feudal "lands" owned by the financial industry, right?
Edit: I'm not a socialist. I'm a capitalist.
Part of capitalism is negotiation. The American middle and working classes have been fed this ridiculous line of baloney that capitalism is a magical hands-free machine that will elevate their standard of living if they do nothing. It doesn't work that way, as every businessman and entrepreneur understands. You have to negotiate. You have to push. They push, and you push.
Studies have shown that the ideal point in negotiation is often precisely where both parties feel a bit, but not too, unhappy. Right now the rich and corporate interests are rolling in it, happy as clams, and everyone else is suffering. That's because one side is pushing and the other side is not.
So how do workers and professionals (whom I count as workers... the white/blue collar distinction is increasingly meaningless) push?
The old way was unions, but that's definitely shown its age. We need some new ideas.
Lowering our expectations is not a particularly productive idea.
Edit 2: I also think using government to push is fair game.
Why? Because the rich and corporations do it. They take corporate welfare, bailouts, special infrastructure investments, government contracts, and benefit hugely from publicly funded R&D.
But they want you to refuse to use the government as a lever because... it works!
So capitalists really ought to be socialists, at least for now. Only give up a lever in a negotiation if the other party on the other side of the table also gives up that lever. The rich want you to be principled libertarians while they munch at the government trough.