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Defiant loyalists paid dearly for choosing wrong side in the American Revolution

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Re: Defiant loyalists paid dearly for choosing wrong side in the American Revolution

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Post by techpineapple »

sQL_inject wrote: post #18
komali2 wrote: post #2

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"critical of people for defending the city from ICE stormtroopers. I see people justifying paper-checking, something I'm sure we roundly mocked the Soviets for doing - I thought gestapo agents checking the papers of people in the streets was commie shit?" Truly curious, what methods are you suggesting we use to keep our immigrant population tracked and controlled? If the immigrants aren't leaving after being asked ni…

“Whay if they voted for someone you don't like?”

Not really a theoretical, but either way, I would love it if the current admins were making an impassioned plea to answer the questions your asking, and working with Congress to get the laws changed. I think we desperately need to have that discussion. As it stands they’re not, they’re just appealing to emotion with arguments like “they’re eating your cats and dogs”, and forcefully bypassing due process.

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ta1243 wrote: post #49
bix6 wrote: post #36

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They tear gassed patrons in a restaurant last week… not the same.

They sent in riot police to clear out peaceful protesters in June 2020 so the president could have a photo-op, it's nothing new. The US population wanted this.

Not the same. They stormed a restaurant during business hours, arrested the entire staff regardless of paperwork, then flash banged all the patrons. Yes the patrons did start pushing back but they were literally there eating food prior to ICE showing up.

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Post by ceejayoz »

ap99 wrote: post #70
ceejayoz wrote: post #17

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The “laws must be enforced, back the blue” folks voted in a convicted felon - exempting him from sentencing! - who then pardoned hundreds of people who assaulted cops on his behalf. Spare me.

Given two choices, and America preferring the felon what does that say about the alternative.

49-48% with half the country not voting says "meh".

I think picking the felon says something about the voters, too.

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Post by bix6 »

ap99 wrote: post #61
bix6 wrote: post #29

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1/3rd and fading.

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I don’t watch cable, I read. But regardless the source doesn’t matter to you. I send Fox to my cousin all the time and he just changes the subject.

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Post by disposition2 »

Thanks for sharing, I’ve always enjoyed the Smithsonian magazine and its articles, hope to visit some day.

I’m hoping all the RIFs, reductions / eradication of IMLS, etc. don’t reduce the gains in & sharing of knowledge from these institutions, but if I am being honest it kind of feels like it’s purposeful destruction.

So I’ll enjoy it while we have it.

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Post by redeux »

dontlaugh wrote: post #57
ceejayoz wrote: post #51

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> They seem only distinguishable aesthetically to me. This is likely to depend heavily on what positions you care strongly about.

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The healthcare issue doesn't even make sense. Democrats passes the ACA and were going to create a public option but couldn't gather enough Republican support to ensure it could pass. It was an earnest attempt to provide healthcare for all Americans. The Republicans have done nothing even remotely similar and have only attempted to take healthcare away.

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disposition2 wrote: post #75

Thanks for sharing, I’ve always enjoyed the Smithsonian magazine and its articles, hope to visit some day. I’m hoping all the RIFs, reductions / eradication of IMLS, etc. don’t reduce the gains in & sharing of knowledge from these institutions, but if I am being honest it kind of feels like it’s purposeful destruction. So I’ll enjoy it while we have it.

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Post by like_any_other »

roenxi wrote: post #33
jeffbee wrote: post #10

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Anybody get tear-gassed for not wearing a mask?

Yes. That is part of why the various COVID measures proved quite unpopular. In Australia for example we saw the standard crowd-control treatments [0] being used to break up protests of people who objected to the sudden spike in authoritarianism. There was also the internationally eyebrow-raising financial abuse that the Canadians were doling out that was a new low for anti-protest tactics and political repression. [0…

You replied to "it doesn't count as anti-authoritarian if you don't get tear-gassed". I hope you are prepared for the follow up of "it doesn't count if it's not in the USA", and whatever form of special pleading to come after that.

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Post by ceejayoz »

alex43578 wrote: post #48
pjc50 wrote: post #30

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> what methods are you suggesting we use to keep our immigrant population tracked and controlled? You can't track and control only immigrants. Any such system would include tracking and controls of citizens, simply in order to sort them into the "not immigrant" category. Hence all the "papers please". (Not to mention the false positive problem!)

Surprise, you’re already tracked in a dozen harmless ways that enable modern life: drivers license, Social Security number, birth certificate, etc; even before you get into quasi-public records like credit reporting, bank accounts, and insurance. Acting like showing ID to an immigration official is some unprecedented intrusion is absurd. Fly domestically, shop at Costco, or buy a 6 pack of beer and you’ll end up show…

I can not shop at Costco, not buy beer, and not fly.

I can't not interact with law enforcement, which is why we have things like the Fourth Amendment to protect us in those non-consensual scenarios.

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Post by relaxing »

ty6853 wrote: post #40
pjc50 wrote: post #25

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I think a lot of people believe that there ought to be a statute of limitations on immigration; if you've been peacefully living and working in the country for many years, what's the actual public purpose of deporting someone? Including breaking up a family?

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The US person with a degree and citizenship isn’t competing for jobs with the undocumented. They’re going after vastly different kinds of work.
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