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Defiant loyalists paid dearly for choosing wrong side in the American Revolution

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Now I want to see 'Tories' used derisively in modern American politics.

Go ahead.

In the UK there’s regular Tories (Conservative Party), red Tories (Labour Party under Blair or Starmer), tartan Tories (SNP), etc.

In the US it seems like you only have red and blue Tories.

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Surely you recognize the same “representative government forms the core American value” you laud is both the mechanism by which the current administration was elected, as well as the same mechanism that passed the immigration laws that are being enforced, right?

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I don't think it died over the last few years. I think it's been dead for decades. Most Americans only seem to be anti-authoritarian when the authority is part of the opposing political party. This is nothing new. What is new is how much presidential power has expanded - allowing for increasingly authoritarian policies.

I would say that it's not "new" that presidential power has expanded. That's very new, and every president over my lifetime has expanded it bit by bit.

4547 is just doing so at a much more rapid pace and using obscure laws that no one wanted to take the time to clean up.

I expect that if we get out of this the American populace will insist Congress tighten up its books and repeal and clarify some of its more obscure laws.

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We're constantly pitted against one another. Ammon Bundy used actual armed militias to check the power of unelected bureaucrats who were constantly changing up the regulations against ranchers, and it actually worked.

Anytime something actually works, the first thing the establishment does is tell you they are on the right, or the left, or they're your enemy. No matter that Bundy actually was on the side of immigrants rights, and stood against Trump, nah all the people that have employed effective strategies are right wing or left wing loons who should be discarded.

The establishment has us all divided. The true enemy of the people is the unelected bureaucrats that snatch people off the street and impose ever changing demands with the power of law, all while bypassing constitutional rights.

Unfortunately this divide and conquer strategy is highly effective. Most 'sides' seem to think their guy will do better the next time and they are just protesting until the power can be used appropriately. The problem is that anybody's guy had the ability to do so in the first place.

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The “laws must be enforced, back the blue” folks voted in a convicted felon - exempting him from sentencing! - who then pardoned hundreds of people who assaulted cops on his behalf.

Spare me.

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"critical of people for defending the city from ICE stormtroopers. I see people justifying paper-checking, something I'm sure we roundly mocked the Soviets for doing - I thought gestapo agents checking the papers of people in the streets was commie shit?"

Truly curious, what methods are you suggesting we use to keep our immigrant population tracked and controlled? If the immigrants aren't leaving after being asked nicely, what steps can we use other than force to remove them? Surely you don't believe unchecked immigration in our modern Nation is good? If you do, then how much is too much, at what number, and what if those immigrants still collected benefits of your tax dollars while not themselves paying into the system? What if they voted for someone you don't like?

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Two things:

- the US has a history dealing very harshly with whoever goes (or is perceived to be) against the federal government

- I do not understand why would anyone be pro illegals and go against their country to support them

The world is going bonkers.

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