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I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I always just assumed these were terrible. There just isn’t enough info in a photo, even for the world’s leading calorie counting expert, to give a sensible estimate of the calories content. Ans even more so for macros. Add to that the fact vision is still pretty crap and you have a complete joke that I can’t believe anyone is paying for.

I bet @onionweigher could - if all you ate were onions

Human children can’t live on onions.

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Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I use ChatGPT (4o model) to track my daily macros, specifically calories, protein, fat, and carbs. I have a prompt containing my macro targets and a list of the foods I typically eat or have at home. Throughout the day, I report my meals, for example five large eggs, two slices of sprouted wheat toast, and a cup of spinach with a pat of butter. It calculates the macros for each meal and keeps a running macros total s…

Did you verify it sometimes how accurate it is? I would be wary of it to be honest.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I can't see any way in which AI could ever solve this from a photo.

A tablespoon of oil is 100 calories, but probably not visible in an image. Sugar in cooked meals is impossible to see.

Is this aimed at a world where every food product is individually wrapped? Because most of the world doesn't live that way.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I always just assumed these were terrible. There just isn’t enough info in a photo, even for the world’s leading calorie counting expert, to give a sensible estimate of the calories content. Ans even more so for macros. Add to that the fact vision is still pretty crap and you have a complete joke that I can’t believe anyone is paying for.

I have faith that ML can approximate calories from images under the following conditions: - The food is inside containers of a standard size, which the model can use as a volumetric reference - Optimally, the containers are clear plastic, for depth approximation - The food is homogenous, or mostly-homogenous. Dishes containing a lot of mixed ingredients seem like an intractable problem to me Now, whether or not abili…

So here’s why that ain’t true.

Yoghurt.

You can buy zero fat Greek yogurt that has very low sugar. It’s perfect for losing weight. It’s about 50kcals per 100g. And also super high in protein.

Or you can buy yoghurt that is full of sugar and is 100kcals per 100g and has lots of fat and hardly any protein.

Even a human expert could not tell the difference without tasting them.

This is just one example of many.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I use ChatGPT (4o model) to track my daily macros, specifically calories, protein, fat, and carbs. I have a prompt containing my macro targets and a list of the foods I typically eat or have at home. Throughout the day, I report my meals, for example five large eggs, two slices of sprouted wheat toast, and a cup of spinach with a pat of butter. It calculates the macros for each meal and keeps a running macros total s…

I'm doing the exact same thing. I have built a small app for it too but I like using the plain ai too.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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Honestly the main thing was learning that perfectly satisfying food I cook at home tends to land around 600-800 cal for a meal, where eating out almost anywhere is often twice that, even if my beverage is water. Just being aware how how heavy those otherwise delightful meals are gives me pause. Granted these figures are all a side effect of my personal eating habits and preferences, but that's rather the point of the…

Eating out, especially in the US, is horrifying when you look at serving calories. Why does every major restaurant feature individual meals with a caloric intake of an entire day’s energy?

If I'm smart, I can offset this by eating half of that meal in the restaurant and taking the rest in a to-go container. Two meals for the price of one, and reheating in the oven is almost as convenient.

Separately though, I have no idea why restaurants seem to exclusively offer gigantic portions over here. I wonder how common this is elsewhere in the world? I'm not well traveled so I genuinely have no idea.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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You develop a sixth sense for how calorific foods are when you track calories consistently. I kept a meticulous food journal for about six months before I realized I didn’t really need to anymore because I had gotten so good at just estimating my totals. Protip: most people underestimate the calories in alcohol

> most people underestimate the calories in alcohol Funny, I feel the other way around. I kept hearing about how much calories there are in alcohol, and then when I started calorie counting I didn't find it so high. Like 6 shots of gin are ~550kcal and enough to get anyone pretty drunk. Unless one is a regular heavy drinker it's not that hard to once in a while budget calories during the day to be able to get a few s…

I definitely find it suprising that a shot of gin has as many calories as an apple.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You develop a sixth sense for how calorific foods are when you track calories consistently. I kept a meticulous food journal for about six months before I realized I didn’t really need to anymore because I had gotten so good at just estimating my totals. Protip: most people underestimate the calories in alcohol

> most people underestimate the calories in alcohol Funny, I feel the other way around. I kept hearing about how much calories there are in alcohol, and then when I started calorie counting I didn't find it so high. Like 6 shots of gin are ~550kcal and enough to get anyone pretty drunk. Unless one is a regular heavy drinker it's not that hard to once in a while budget calories during the day to be able to get a few s…

I think when people are mentioning alcohol they typically mean beer or wine - a can of beer is ~150 calories, so have a few of those a night, which isn't at all uncommon in some households, and over a week you're up ~1 lbs.

Re: I used AI-powered calorie counting apps, and they were even worse than expected

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I work for a company that offers nutrition tracking on an app in the App Store. We are not shipping camera functionality yet. But our concept is to not necessarily guarantee the accuracy of portions but to make lookup easier. We also spent the time to get the AI integrated with a verified database. This made our results far more accurate. We tended to find that without the lookup the calories and macros would be gene…

Yes, I would think that would work better indeed. As a augmentation or help tool. I would love to be able to say to MyFitnessPal that 'I ate this and that food, same as usual, and oh yeah drank this.' Just as a easier input interface. I wouldn't trust a pure AI solution without some proper database behind it.
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