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The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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There's one in Santa Monica too so that you can go to the beach. Yeah, I'm sure you tricked god...

I see this sentiment a lot when it comes to Jewish customs, especially when it comes to eruvs, I don't really get it. Why do you consider it "tricking" God, instead of just following the rules?

If your parents said come home by 6:00 PM and instead of coming home you put a wire around the city to “make it your home” and stay out, you’re tricking your parents.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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Google Maps zoomable map I found: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0... I wonder why it seems to circumvent Hells Kitchen?

"Hell's Kitchen" doesn't sound like something I'd want inside my house.

Sorry, “”Midtown West””

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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My Jewish friend once told me, specifically discussing this wire, that Jews consider finding loopholes in their own rules a national pastime. The same thing goes for the hotels where someone is paid to wave their hand in front of automatic doors so the guests don't force the door to "work" for them or the elevators that run 24/7, stopping at every floor so they don't have to even work by pressing a button.

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Jewish friend once told me, specifically discussing this wire, that Jews consider finding loopholes in their own rules a national pastime. The same thing goes for the hotels where someone is paid to wave their hand in front of automatic doors so the guests don't force the door to "work" for them or the elevators that run 24/7, stopping at every floor so they don't have to even work by pressing a button.

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Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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There's one in Santa Monica too so that you can go to the beach. Yeah, I'm sure you tricked god...

So we're willing to suspect our disbelief enough to assume that there's an omnipotent sky beard making rules, but not that he doesn't approve of his little rascals trying to trick him?

Let people like what they like. It's not hurting anyone. People are weird. Embrace it.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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In the Jewish tradition, nobody is tricking God. There's a long history of legalism in the religion - God sets out his commandments in language and you take that language at face value. Exact interpretation of that text is then debated by religious scholars, but the meaning of the words is entirely contained in the text. For Christians and those raised in the Christian tradition, this is entirely foreign. The rules a…

> For Christians and those raised in the Christian tradition, this is entirely foreign. I'd say it is quite familiar to Christianity. Canon Law mirrors the secular legal system, complete with its own lawyers, courts and so on. (Arguably, it's the other way around: secular Western law that mirrors Canon Law.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law

Canon Law is only for Catholics and also only pertains to the management of the Church itself rather than to the behavior of individuals. All religions have this idea of textual interpretation to some degree, but it has comparatively more importance in Judaism.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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I'm not religious so I'll admit I don't "get it." It's a neat idea. I'll admit, I especially don't get this part: > The series of practically invisible wires becomes a necessity that “benefits the most vulnerable people of the community.” He sees it not only as a way for communities to come together, but also as a way for the more affluent to give back. The eruv is funded entirely by the Jewish community, with a cons…

During Shabbat the members of the Jewish community who are most vulnerable are the ones who take it too far? Technically you are not supposed to even carry your keys, medications, babies, anything, so to strictly follow the rules means either being a shutin for the day or taking stupid risks which could easily cause undo long term hardships or even death. For the most part it is just updating the laws to modern society and the move away from the more communal living arrangements of the past.

Re: The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

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“God hates this one weird trick…”

God didn't make a mistake when writing the Torah. That "one weird trick" as you call it is as fundamental a part of his will as every else. Also most Jewish laws don't come from God. Instead, they come from the confluence of two doctrines: first we develop fence laws to keep ourselves from accidentally violating the actual laws. But, once we have been doing something long enough, they become Minhag and given more or…

In fact, I would go so far as to say no religious rules come from God! It seems pretty obvious that an omnipotent being in command of all the subtle and awesome phenomena of all of time and space is not going to concerned with whether some barely evolved apes on a backwater planet orbiting an unremarkable star in a forgettable galaxy, among innumerable galaxies eat shellfish and cows milk in the same meal.
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