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Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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Get rid of FPTP and the Electoral College that enables a two-party stranglehold. If a vote for a third party wasn't a wasted vote, we could see nuanced parties and politicians emerge that don't have to tow a party line.

You need to educate the people and convince them on how it works. Easily a 30 year project in places like India.

Easily a 30 year project in the US, too.

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>It’s best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It’s how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. For my friends - everything, for my enemies - the law.

I used to love this pithy quote but reflecting on it more recently this doesn't seem like something limited to fascists or fascism. Indeed, this kind of thinking is used by those of any political leaning when ideology becomes more important than principles. An obvious example is the USSR.

Absolutely. See "the only moral abortion is my abortion".

Republicans can play all sorts of games because their mistresses will always be able to get an abortion on the DL without consequence, while "single black mom? 25 to life for murder!"

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I see it as a continuation of the American Civil War in politics. There was always this attitude but now people are more redicalized, so it's more obvious.

It seemed more subdued during the 1990s/2000s, until a black guy became President, and a good one at that.

And then the Democrats wanted to put forward a... a... a woman, too!

Re: Musk-Trump dispute includes threats to SpaceX contracts

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The world is no longer a serious place. Everybody is turbo-infantilised via social media. I don't know if that's indeed the root cause or if it's a combination of factors, but the fact remains that people don't even feel the need to _ pretend to care _ about honesty, character, seriousness, etc.

This kind of stuff would not fly in Australia. Not to say that there is no corruption, but that it isn’t absolutely blatant and ignored.

Only with a lot of effort. I'm old enough to remember the ICAC in NSW and the CCC in Queensland (Joh Bjelke-Petersen was a bit before my time)... the widespread "travel expenses" fraud that permeated for YEARS.

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Ranked Choice Voting goes a long way to solving this as well.

Does it? Could you explain which mechanism you suggest using? Because the main results from social choice theory about ranked choice voting that come to mind seem to be all about impossibility of fair elections (eg Arrow) or even paradoxical situations such as cyclic preferences (eg Condorcet).

These kinds of perfectionism complaints keep the status quo of FPTP, which is the worst of them all.

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>It’s best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It’s how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. For my friends - everything, for my enemies - the law.

For my true friends, champagne! For my sham friends, true pain.

Close, but the correct version has better wordplay: "Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."

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They see it as the guy on their side having more power, therefore they, by extension, have more power. Primate brain go brr.

More like fascist brain, those who haven't bought into the decades of propaganda recognize this benefits no one. Fascism is not a natural state of mind.

On the contrary, I think it appeals to our baser instincts. Primates, from whom we evolved, settle their power disputes in EXACTLY the manner of "might makes right," and that isn't just about the individuals competing for power, but the dynamics of the crowd and how their allegiances and values shift according to who is in power.

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Moscow was never either of their biggest priorities, I think. Allies of convenience, mostly. Moscow benefits from their infighting anyway.

Yeah. I believe Moscow props them up and has platformed them, but not because of any secret intelligence - it's the opposite: they are installing this exact chaos.

Eh, still giving Moscow too much credit IMO. Certainly I don't think Moscow was critical to get them where they are (that's ironically giving too much credit to the American people, too; it turns out we're really dumb).

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Harris outspent Trump 3:1. Hillary outspent Trump 2:1. It's not that easy to buy an election.

Elon spent more on behalf of Trump than the entire official Harris campaign spent. This is a terrible argument. We know the Supreme Court legalized unlimited campaign spending, and we’re not dumb enough to think Elon’s money wasn’t part of the Trump campaign.

Elon spent well over a billion dollars on the campaign? You'll need a cite for that.

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FOX is indeed all in for Trump. But on the other side of the ledger, there is the media that was all in for Biden - NPR, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, NYT, etc., during the same time period.

The counterpoint is that there is no rational or sane defense of Trump. The rest of the media criticized Biden plenty, arguably way too much in their attempts to be seen as neutral. Meanwhile there is almost nothing good about Trump. So if they write like 90% stories that seem to be against Trump it means they're biased towards Trump. Almost regardless of political positions it's hard to argue Trump is fit or qualifi…

> The counterpoint is that there is no rational or sane defense of Trump.

The point is about does spending buying an election, not rationality or sanity.

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