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Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by donatj »

I was there, 3,000 years ago.

I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames?

I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page.

I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dreamweaver so we could have a clickable map.

I remember Dreamweaver templates and people updating things wrong and losing their changes on a template update and no way to get it back because no one used version control.

I remember and handling where you clicked on an image in the backend.

I remember streaming updates to pages via motion jpeg. Still works in Chrome, less reliably in Firefox.

I remember the multiple steps we took towards a proper IE PNG fix just to get alpha blending... before we got the ActiveX one that worked somewhat reliably... Just for tastes to change and everything to become flat and us to not really need it anymore.

I remember building site navigations in Java, Flash, and Silverlight.

I remember spacer gifs and conditional comments and what a godsend Firebug was.

I don't know when I got old, it just happened one day.

1. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/...

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by TapamN »

My favorite trick with was to nest them, with different, alternating directions. You could make the contents alternate between scrolling and stopping by setting the inner marquee to travel in the opposite direction at the same speed as the outer marquee. Or do more levels with alternating speeds to make it zip around randomly. I think you had to set a max width for the inner marquees for this to work?

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by deadbabe »

donatj wrote: post #21

I was there, 3,000 years ago. I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames? I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page. I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dre…

3000 years ago, when Ancient Egyptians argued over how they should format Papyrus text.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by k1t »

moralestapia wrote: post #8

Never got the hate to these. I think some people just want to feel important by diminishing things they see others diminishing, makes up from not having thoughts of one's own. This applies to everything, not just HTML obv.

People generally hate things that try to steal their attention away from the thing they are trying to focus on.

It doesn't matter if it's a scrolling marquee, an animated gif, some Flash, a movie, a popup, a cookie banner, etc...

Generally, moving/animated things grab your attention and people find it annoying.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by iforgotpassword »

donatj wrote: post #21

I was there, 3,000 years ago. I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames? I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page. I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dre…

I made a webchat with frames; an infinitely-loading top part for the text, and the bottom an input box that received 204 to not reload when you sent a message. I guess that was the most elegant way to do it in the IE4+ days. The top part could also receive a small that would reload the frame on the right, containing the user list. Fun times. Used it with a couple class mates around 2000 iirc.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by flomo »

"And the beast shall come forth surrounded by a roiling cloud of vengeance. The house of the unbelievers shall be razed and they shall be scorched to the earth. Their tags shall blink until the end of days."

> from The Book of Mozilla, 12:10 (about:mozilla)

And now Mozilla is being scorched to the earth. The End.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by perilunar »

donatj wrote: post #21

I was there, 3,000 years ago. I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames? I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page. I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dre…

Been there, have done (most of) this. Never used Silverlight, but did use VRML, Java Applets, and Chromeffects.

I remember writing image maps by hand, getting the point coordinates directly from the image in Photoshop.

Re version control: learned very early on to make a backup of a website before making any changes. Our version control was /site/yyyymmdd/

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by timpark »

The blink tag was, of course, much hated back in the day, so as an experiment, I took the binary of whatever browser I was using (Netscape, I guess), searched for "blink", and changed it to "blonk". Tada, no more blinking!

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by atemerev »

donatj wrote: post #21

I was there, 3,000 years ago. I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames? I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page. I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dre…

Spacer gifs, OMG, the memories! should be enough for everyone.

What is the motion jpeg hack? I made my own streaming too before websocket... but I never heard of this.

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